Posted by strikeout26 on 8/14/2018 10:25:00 AM (view original):
You would think, but then you guys run a candidate who has been groomed her whole life and she is still woefully unprepared. I guess experience in politics isn't that important. Also, come to think about it, I recall a 2008 election where you guys ran a "woefully unprepared" candidate. Did you vote for Obama?

Obama’s wasn’t unprepared. He was a US Senator and a constitutional law professor. That you would equate his and Trump’s qualifications for President really hurts your credibility.

Clinton had been a Senator and US Secretary of State. Like Obama, she was qualified. She wasn’t a likeable candidate though, so we lost our minds and elected this idiot.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 9:52:00 AM (view original):
He is in good company it seems.

He is. I voted for Trump as well but I only have dual Master degrees, not dual PhDs. I guess that means I have never attained that highest level of intellectual idiocy like your dad has.

I am actually going to tell him that some dude on a message board called him an idiot. He will laugh. That is one of the reasons he stopped voting blue. Thought the party and its principles abandoned him.

I have never been a Democrat (nor a Republican for that matter) but I know a lot of people who feel the same way as your dad. They have been Democrats their entire lives but can't support them any more. They haven't changed, the party has.

They buy into Laura Ingraham’s hypothesis.

”What’s with all the brown people in my country???”

I've read plenty of Proust and Tolstoy but not Ingraham. My education must be incomplete since I'm missing one of the giants of intellectual thought.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 9:52:00 AM (view original):
He is in good company it seems.

He is. I voted for Trump as well but I only have dual Master degrees, not dual PhDs. I guess that means I have never attained that highest level of intellectual idiocy like your dad has.

I am actually going to tell him that some dude on a message board called him an idiot. He will laugh. That is one of the reasons he stopped voting blue. Thought the party and its principles abandoned him.

I have never been a Democrat (nor a Republican for that matter) but I know a lot of people who feel the same way as your dad. They have been Democrats their entire lives but can't support them any more. They haven't changed, the party has.

I was pretty shocked. He voted for Obama and really liked him. I told him that McCain deserved our vote because he is a war hero. After the first four years of Obama my dad not only voted for Mitt but changed his party from Blue to Red. I remain an Independent. He really feels as though the Blue party betrayed him. Rightly or wrongly. Thank you for that post, gomiami. You echo his sentiments exactly. He used to donate heavily to the Dem party too.

You are welcome. The truth takes no effort at all to say.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/14/2018 10:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 8/14/2018 10:25:00 AM (view original):
You would think, but then you guys run a candidate who has been groomed her whole life and she is still woefully unprepared. I guess experience in politics isn't that important. Also, come to think about it, I recall a 2008 election where you guys ran a "woefully unprepared" candidate. Did you vote for Obama?

Obama’s wasn’t unprepared. He was a US Senator and a constitutional law professor. That you would equate his and Trump’s qualifications for President really hurts your credibility.

Clinton had been a Senator and US Secretary of State. Like Obama, she was qualified. She wasn’t a likeable candidate though, so we lost our minds and elected this idiot.

We have an election process. Trump won fairly. Instead of accepting this you whine and cry over it. Who is or is not prepared is 100% subjective. Brad Stevens was never a pro basketball coach, yet he is better than 90% of the coaches who had a ton of pro experience. My point is that experience helps but is not the final determinant. Sometimes you need a fresh set of eyes. To dismiss all those who voted for DJT makes you no better than the person you are vilifying, Laura Ingraham. The fact that you cannot see that is funny. Then again you are stupid.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 8/14/2018 10:25:00 AM (view original):
You would think, but then you guys run a candidate who has been groomed her whole life and she is still woefully unprepared. I guess experience in politics isn't that important. Also, come to think about it, I recall a 2008 election where you guys ran a "woefully unprepared" candidate. Did you vote for Obama?

Obama’s wasn’t unprepared. He was a US Senator and a constitutional law professor. That you would equate his and Trump’s qualifications for President really hurts your credibility.

Clinton had been a Senator and US Secretary of State. Like Obama, she was qualified. She wasn’t a likeable candidate though, so we lost our minds and elected this idiot.

It doesn't hurt my credibility at all. You are biased and can't see the truth. Obama was a 1 term US senator. This is hardly enough to qualify him for the president of the US. He had no background whatsoever in finance or economics. Trump is much more prepared in these areas. Obama obviously had a much better understanding of US law and Constitution. Obama had little to no experience in negotiation.

HRC was ridden with scandal as sec of state. Obviously having experience doesn't mean that you will be a good president if you do a poor job with your experiences.

Just ask this experienced man:

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 9:52:00 AM (view original):
He is in good company it seems.

He is. I voted for Trump as well but I only have dual Master degrees, not dual PhDs. I guess that means I have never attained that highest level of intellectual idiocy like your dad has.

I am actually going to tell him that some dude on a message board called him an idiot. He will laugh. That is one of the reasons he stopped voting blue. Thought the party and its principles abandoned him.

I have never been a Democrat (nor a Republican for that matter) but I know a lot of people who feel the same way as your dad. They have been Democrats their entire lives but can't support them any more. They haven't changed, the party has.

I was pretty shocked. He voted for Obama and really liked him. I told him that McCain deserved our vote because he is a war hero. After the first four years of Obama my dad not only voted for Mitt but changed his party from Blue to Red. I remain an Independent. He really feels as though the Blue party betrayed him. Rightly or wrongly. Thank you for that post, gomiami. You echo his sentiments exactly. He used to donate heavily to the Dem party too.

You are welcome. The truth takes no effort at all to say.

Thanks gomiami. Someone else sharing what I have been saying for years now. Guys on this site have been trying to tell me I could not possibly have been a life-long (35+ years) Democrat, yet voted for Trump. I hate many of the things Trump says and does, but those who refuse to admit he is trying to do a lot of what he promised to do (like it or not) are just blind haters. Them, and other hypocritical extremists like them, truly have turned many people totally off to the Democratic Party.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 9:52:00 AM (view original):
He is in good company it seems.

He is. I voted for Trump as well but I only have dual Master degrees, not dual PhDs. I guess that means I have never attained that highest level of intellectual idiocy like your dad has.

I am actually going to tell him that some dude on a message board called him an idiot. He will laugh. That is one of the reasons he stopped voting blue. Thought the party and its principles abandoned him.

I have never been a Democrat (nor a Republican for that matter) but I know a lot of people who feel the same way as your dad. They have been Democrats their entire lives but can't support them any more. They haven't changed, the party has.

I was pretty shocked. He voted for Obama and really liked him. I told him that McCain deserved our vote because he is a war hero. After the first four years of Obama my dad not only voted for Mitt but changed his party from Blue to Red. I remain an Independent. He really feels as though the Blue party betrayed him. Rightly or wrongly. Thank you for that post, gomiami. You echo his sentiments exactly. He used to donate heavily to the Dem party too.

You are welcome. The truth takes no effort at all to say.

Thanks gomiami. Someone else sharing what I have been saying for years now. Guys on this site have been trying to tell me I could not possibly have been a life-long (35+ years) Democrat, yet voted for Trump. I hate many of the things Trump says and does, but those who refuse to admit he is trying to do a lot of what he promised to do (like it or not) are just blind haters. Them, and other hypocritical extremists like them, truly have turned many people totally off to the Democratic Party.

I am still trying to get an answer on what he has done (actions) that have caused people like BL to think he is a bad President?

He has ridiculed and belittled loud-mouth haters like b_l (just like we all do every day), which makes them madder than anything else he could possibly do.

Posted by all3 on 8/14/2018 11:24:00 AM (view original):
He has ridiculed and belittled loud-mouth haters like b_l (just like we all do every day), which makes them madder than anything else he could possibly do.

I think that is exactly right.

Posted by strikeout26 on 8/13/2018 8:47:00 PM (view original):
Is that what we're calling them now?

Hey Baby, wanna show me yer economic ideas????

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/13/2018 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Yep. But I am only calling him an Ahole not everyone who voted for HRC.

You can call me an Ahole, doesn’t bother me. Also doesn’t change the fact that trump voters, every single one, are idiots.

that is not a fact. its your opinion. a pretty dumb one at that.

Posted by strikeout26 on 8/14/2018 10:25:00 AM (view original):
You would think, but then you guys run a candidate who has been groomed her whole life and she is still woefully unprepared. I guess experience in politics isn't that important. Also, come to think about it, I recall a 2008 election where you guys ran a "woefully unprepared" candidate. Did you vote for Obama?

I am far from a HRC defender, but we don't know, and never will know how prepared she was or wasn't. Unfortunately (in my view) we know all too well how unprepared Mr trump is.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/14/2018 9:52:00 AM (view original):
He is in good company it seems.

He is. I voted for Trump as well but I only have dual Master degrees, not dual PhDs. I guess that means I have never attained that highest level of intellectual idiocy like your dad has.

I am actually going to tell him that some dude on a message board called him an idiot. He will laugh. That is one of the reasons he stopped voting blue. Thought the party and its principles abandoned him.

I have never been a Democrat (nor a Republican for that matter) but I know a lot of people who feel the same way as your dad. They have been Democrats their entire lives but can't support them any more. They haven't changed, the party has.

I was pretty shocked. He voted for Obama and really liked him. I told him that McCain deserved our vote because he is a war hero. After the first four years of Obama my dad not only voted for Mitt but changed his party from Blue to Red. I remain an Independent. He really feels as though the Blue party betrayed him. Rightly or wrongly. Thank you for that post, gomiami. You echo his sentiments exactly. He used to donate heavily to the Dem party too.

You are welcome. The truth takes no effort at all to say.

Thanks gomiami. Someone else sharing what I have been saying for years now. Guys on this site have been trying to tell me I could not possibly have been a life-long (35+ years) Democrat, yet voted for Trump. I hate many of the things Trump says and does, but those who refuse to admit he is trying to do a lot of what he promised to do (like it or not) are just blind haters. Them, and other hypocritical extremists like them, truly have turned many people totally off to the Democratic Party.

I am still trying to get an answer on what he has done (actions) that have caused people like BL to think he is a bad President?

that's the thing, cccp..I could tell you what, in my opinion, Trump has done that makes him a bad president. Your opinion of those same actions would be different than mine. For instance, I don't like any of the people he appointed as cabinet members (esp DeVoes) or his Supreme Court nominations. You probably do. I don't like the fact that he made fun of a handicapped person (that is an action). You would probably say he wasn't making fun of him. I don't like the fact that he has made racist and sexist remarks. You would probably say its just locker room talk.I don't like the fact that he sends out stupid and childish tweets when I'm sure there are better ways he can spend his time. None of that probably bothers you at all.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 8/14/2018 10:25:00 AM (view original):
You would think, but then you guys run a candidate who has been groomed her whole life and she is still woefully unprepared. I guess experience in politics isn't that important. Also, come to think about it, I recall a 2008 election where you guys ran a "woefully unprepared" candidate. Did you vote for Obama?

Obama’s wasn’t unprepared. He was a US Senator and a constitutional law professor. That you would equate his and Trump’s qualifications for President really hurts your credibility.

Clinton had been a Senator and US Secretary of State. Like Obama, she was qualified. She wasn’t a likeable candidate though, so we lost our minds and elected this idiot.

It doesn't hurt my credibility at all. You are biased and can't see the truth. Obama was a 1 term US senator. This is hardly enough to qualify him for the president of the US. He had no background whatsoever in finance or economics. Trump is much more prepared in these areas. Obama obviously had a much better understanding of US law and Constitution. Obama had little to no experience in negotiation.

HRC was ridden with scandal as sec of state. Obviously having experience doesn't mean that you will be a good president if you do a poor job with your experiences.

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You are biased and can't see the truth

Everyone on earth is biased. That doesn't mean we can't see the truth.

Obama was a 1 term US senator. This is hardly enough to qualify him for the president of the US

The cool part about Obama is that we no longer have to speculate whether or not he was qualified to do the job. He clearly was based on the fact that he did a great job. You may not (I'm guessing I could probably ditch the "may") agree with the policy positions he took, but I don't think there are any serious people left who genuinely believe Obama was a bad president.

He had no background whatsoever in finance or economics.

The amount of subtext that can be packed into a nine-word sentence is amazing. And there are so many directions I could go with this. Do we examine the fact that macro-level economic policy and the day-to-day financial aspects of running even a relatively large corporation are COMPLETELY different animals?

Do we talk about Obama's capacity to understand complex concepts (economics, healthcare, etc) that might not have ever been his area of expertise and compare that capacity to Trump's? I'm sure you remember the time Obama held a town hall on healthcare, stood on stage for two hours straight taking questions, and clearly knew more about the issue than everyone else in the room. Could Trump do that on ANY policy position?

Speaking of Trump, do we give him some sort of credit for running business after business into the ground? Not paying his contractors? Not honoring his agreements?

Obama had little to no experience in negotiation.

If you ranked the most powerful positions in the all of the US, in my opinion, it would go:

President
SCOTUS
High level cabinet
Fed Chair
Senators
Governors
House of Reps
and on down

Obviously, the Senate Majority leader probably sits right next to SCOTUS in terms of power and the Speaker of the House outranks minority party Senators, but that's beside the point.

Obama was a Senator. Then he was the Democratic nominee for President. Are you implying that someone could get to be one of the 150ish most powerful people in the country and then be a major party nominee to be the most powerful person in the world and be an inexperienced or bad negotiator?

HRC was ridden with scandal as sec of state.

The scandals weren't actually scandals. Benghazi? Literally nothing she could have done about that. Emails? Nice to see everyone freaking out over Trump and the rest of his admin using personal, unsecured phones and email addresses.