Regardless of what happened in the primaries, once the choice was Trump or Clinton, there was only one viable option. Only idiots chose Trump.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/18/2018 10:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 8/18/2018 10:26:00 AM (view original):
I say this begrudgingly and somewhat hypocritically because I opted not to vote for either candidate, but there was a good reason to vote for Trump. If you didn't vote for him, we would have HRC as president. And yes, as much as I dislike Trump, I think she would have been worse for the country than him. The mistake wasn't made in the general election. It was made in BOTH primaries.

That’s dumb.

What strikeout says.
The fact the b_l thinks it's dumb should confirm how logical and intelligent it is.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/18/2018 11:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 8/18/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):
I'm not getting into a back and forth over this. The country is doing well. Trump is president. It's Tradition for the president to take the credit or blame for the state of the union. Hillary has been a disaster in her political career. We know this. Trump's a scum bag. Hillary is a scum bag. I'm going with the scum bag who doesn't have a track record as a failure politically.

Except he is failing politically.

Theres a reasonable chance that he’s impeached or forced to resign within the next two years.

Thats nuts.

His own party hates him. Not because he is bad for the establishment, but because he’s ineffective and legitimately stupid. And racist.

To claim that’s anything but a failure, despite average-ish gdp growth, is denying reality.

I really believe you need to get some professional help and soon.

• Strong economy (we are finally raising rates vs. keeping them artificially low).
• Iran is close to imploding due to heavy sanctions and they no longer troll our warships.
• North Korea no longer flying over Japan to troll them
• Stronger border security
• Improved relations with Israel
• ISIS on its heels.
• Ukraine is armed against further Russian aggression
• Turkey seeing major economic hardships due to recent sanctions
• Historically low unemployment

I think failure is a strong word. You need to man up (impossible for you) and admit that while you don't like the man personally he has done some good things for the country via his leadership. I am going to use my dad as an example again. Came to this country with $100, did not know the language, and built a life for himself and his family. He learned the language and worked 40+ years, he has dual PhDs, he donates thousands to charities annually, he has been a victim of antisemitism multiple times, he supports his sister who is ill and her family overseas. He felt the Democrat party abandoned him and liked Trump's message. He used his right as an American citizen to vote for DJT. Calling him an idiot is your prerogative and right but as I said you also called me, Jason Whitlock, Ben Shapiro and countless other idiots. They were idiots because they did not agree with your political line of thinking. It is people like you who are ruining this country. As I have stated before I tell my kids to be vary of persons like yourself who are simply the new kind of zealots.

I disagree vehemently with tangplay in terms of his moral compass, his political views and his education principles but I would never call him an idiot based on how he voted (I would for other reasons such as posting pictures of Hitler). But I would much rather have a beer with someone like him than someone like you.

It has nothing to do with whether or not someone agrees with me politically. I don’t think people are idiots if they voted for Romney or McCain or Bush etc.

It’s specific to Trump. Best case scenario, he’s JUST an incompetent, racist, buffoon. Worst case scenario, he’s all that and compromised by Russia.

And those are all things we knew about him before a single vote was cast. Anyone who voted for him anyway is an idiot.

What is funny (and kinda sad) is that these folks on the left STILL don't get it.

The constant berating of the Trump voter is one of the MAIN reasons he was elected. We are all dumb, deplorable and racist.

That's what they HAVE to think, because they cannot wrap their mind around sound reasoning if it doesn't align with their viewpoint.

There is a shrinking amount of civil discourse than can be had, because they are still reeling that HRC didn't win.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/18/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
It has nothing to do with whether or not someone agrees with me politically. I don’t think people are idiots if they voted for Romney or McCain or Bush etc.

It’s specific to Trump. Best case scenario, he’s JUST an incompetent, racist, buffoon. Worst case scenario, he’s all that and compromised by Russia.

And those are all things we knew about him before a single vote was cast. Anyone who voted for him anyway is an idiot.

#1) Incompetent, racist, buffoon = 100% subjective.
#2) He has been tougher on Russia than BHO.
#3) If I said the same thing about BHO....He is an incompetent, racist, buffoon who is compromised by Islam you would call me a racist.

You are calling my dad an idiot, regardless of your reasoning, you calling a 77-year old man who has experienced antisemitism both in Russia and here, who has paid his taxes for 40+ years and who legally cast his vote for the candidate he thought would better this nation an "idiot", says a lot about your character or lack thereof.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/18/2018 3:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/18/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
It has nothing to do with whether or not someone agrees with me politically. I don’t think people are idiots if they voted for Romney or McCain or Bush etc.

It’s specific to Trump. Best case scenario, he’s JUST an incompetent, racist, buffoon. Worst case scenario, he’s all that and compromised by Russia.

And those are all things we knew about him before a single vote was cast. Anyone who voted for him anyway is an idiot.

#1) Incompetent, racist, buffoon = 100% subjective.
#2) He has been tougher on Russia than BHO.
#3) If I said the same thing about BHO....He is an incompetent, racist, buffoon who is compromised by Islam you would call me a racist.

You are calling my dad an idiot, regardless of your reasoning, you calling a 77-year old man who has experienced antisemitism both in Russia and here, who has paid his taxes for 40+ years and who legally cast his vote for the candidate he thought would better this nation an "idiot", says a lot about your character or lack thereof.

1) It’s not really that subjective. Listen to him talk. Read what he writes. Look at his racist past.

2) Nope

3) I don’t know if I’d call you racist but I’d genuinely question your mental capacity. There is zero reason to think Obama was incompetent or a buffoon.

If your dad voted for Trump, regardless of anything else, he’s an idiot.

#1) I don't think he is any more racist than me. Take that however you like. I didn't see anything he says or post that defines him as racist.
#2) Sanctions, killed 200 Russian Mercs in Syria, armed the Ukrainians. Google is your friend.
#3) Other than coming from the private sector there was zero reason to think Trump was incompetent or a buffoon. McCain was certainly the better candidate based on credentials yet no one said people were idiots for voting for BHO over him.

You are entitled to your opinion here is the person you are calling an idiot:

• Born in the old USSR, his father died the year he was born fighting the Nazis on the Eastern Front. The rest of his family sans his mom and sister were killed by the Nazis. His mom died when he turned 18.
• Because of the blockade and lack of food and vitamins, he did not learn to walk til he was 3.
• He had to be better than 95% of his classmates to get into the best schools because his passport labeled him a "Jew".
• He served in the navy and was given the crappiest tasks because he was a Jew.
• He came here in the early 70s to start a new life and had to learn a new language, he had $100 and slept on his friend's couch.
• He worked for 40+ years in the private sector, raised a family, annually gives generously to charity and to the Democrat Party.
• He feels betrayed because the party starts moving toward Socialism, something he left behind in the old USSR and voted Republican for the first time in the most recent election as is his right.

If that makes him an idiot in your eyes, it says more about you than it says about him. If you called him an idiot to his face while I was there you would be in serious trouble.

Can we finish the debate that was in the title of this thread?

Do you think my dad is an idiot because he voted for Trump? Thread has been hijaked.

No.

Posted by tangplay on 8/18/2018 3:58:00 PM (view original):
No.

Do you think BL is a terrible person for labeling him as such?

Posted by bad_luck on 8/18/2018 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Regardless of what happened in the primaries, once the choice was Trump or Clinton, there was only one viable option. Only idiots chose Trump.

A strong case that there were zero viable candidates at that point could be made.

I think there are similar numbers of people that voted for either of the two for the sole reason that they were not the other. People are not idiotic in one direction simply based on which way they voted. Idiocy is a two way multi-lane highway.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/18/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):
#1) I don't think he is any more racist than me. Take that however you like. I didn't see anything he says or post that defines him as racist.
#2) Sanctions, killed 200 Russian Mercs in Syria, armed the Ukrainians. Google is your friend.
#3) Other than coming from the private sector there was zero reason to think Trump was incompetent or a buffoon. McCain was certainly the better candidate based on credentials yet no one said people were idiots for voting for BHO over him.

You are entitled to your opinion here is the person you are calling an idiot:

• Born in the old USSR, his father died the year he was born fighting the Nazis on the Eastern Front. The rest of his family sans his mom and sister were killed by the Nazis. His mom died when he turned 18.
• Because of the blockade and lack of food and vitamins, he did not learn to walk til he was 3.
• He had to be better than 95% of his classmates to get into the best schools because his passport labeled him a "Jew".
• He served in the navy and was given the crappiest tasks because he was a Jew.
• He came here in the early 70s to start a new life and had to learn a new language, he had $100 and slept on his friend's couch.
• He worked for 40+ years in the private sector, raised a family, annually gives generously to charity and to the Democrat Party.
• He feels betrayed because the party starts moving toward Socialism, something he left behind in the old USSR and voted Republican for the first time in the most recent election as is his right.

If that makes him an idiot in your eyes, it says more about you than it says about him. If you called him an idiot to his face while I was there you would be in serious trouble.

1) Were you fined by the Justice Department for refusing to rent apartments to black people?

Did you say that a Mexican judge can’t do his job because he’s Mexican?

Is there a tape of you using the N word?

If the answer to those three are yes, then yes, are correct Trump is not any more racist than you.

2) You know Obama sanctioned Russia too, right?

3) There is tons of evidence that Trump is a buffoon. It’s not like we hadn’t heard him speak before this.

I’m not the one who brought your dad into this. You are. Like I said before, regardless of anything else, someone who voted for Trump is an idiot.

Another very big reason Trump got a lot more support than anyone imagined was the SCOTUS.
Everyone knew this president would likely have at least 2 appointees and possibly as many as 4.

Conservatives could not allow HRC to make two appointments. When Trump gets this next appointee through, it will still be a pretty evenly balanced SCOTUS, slightly leaning towards conservatism @ 5-4, and likely not on all issues.

Had HRC won it would currently be at 5-4 leaning left and this current position would bring it to 6-3 in favor of left leaning rewriting the constitution type SCOTUS.

Regardless of how big a buffoon Trump is, or any other name you want to call him, there is simply no way we could afford to let the SCOTUS go that far left.