Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

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Another day, another white nationalist tweet from Trump.

It's as if he was watching white nationalist Tucker Carlson talking about white nationalist issues and then decided to tweet about it.

Lol you’re so delusional. First it was Ben Shapiro, now Tucker Carlson. Next I suppose is Caitlyn Jenner?

You know the stuff about the South African farmers is a White Nationalist talking point, right?

He just asked Pompeo to look into it. If it is a conspiracy theory and all about nothing then Pompeo will report it as such. This bothers you but the flying of the Palestinian flag and anti Israel messages at the DNC does not. I know, because while there is antisemitism in the US, it doesn't negatively impact Jews. Your exact words.

Come on man.

My exact words were that antisemitism doesn't prevent Jews, as a whole, from succeeding in school, the workplace, etc. based on all the evidence you pointed out about Jews, as a whole, being very successful.

It doesn't? Based on what? I showed you evidence that it did. We just overcame it. You then conveniently dropped the subject. Remember all the BDS data at schools I showed you? Or do you have convenient amnesia?

Yes, Jewish people, as a whole, overcame anti-semitism and have succeeded.

In other words, the anti-semitism doesn't prevent Jewish people, as a whole, from succeeding.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

Whatever? Ok. I was trying to talk to you in a respectful mannar but you seem to be lashing out at everyone. Take care.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

He'd be wise not to take such tasty bait...assuming you are trying to set him up with this oblique trap.

This has existed in every society, in every possible permutation, for the history of histories. The blunt area I see in your otherwise very sharp point is that you are trying to extend situational truths to encompass the ENTIRETY of American society. Universal statements ultimately ring hollow because they are almost always not true, and, in this case, is not true. Using the word "tend" just makes your argument arbitrary.

You are seriously entertaining, I'll give you that.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/23/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

He'd be wise not to take such tasty bait...assuming you are trying to set him up with this oblique trap.

This has existed in every society, in every possible permutation, for the history of histories. The blunt area I see in your otherwise very sharp point is that you are trying to extend situational truths to encompass the ENTIRETY of American society. Universal statements ultimately ring hollow because they are almost always not true, and, in this case, is not true. Using the word "tend" just makes your argument arbitrary.

You are seriously entertaining, I'll give you that.

I mean, if cccp doesn't see exactly where I'm going with that, he is dumber than even I thought.

Obviously NOTHING encompasses all of society. There are all kinds of people with major disadvantages who end up very successful. That doesn't mean we should ignore the broader implications of how our society interacts with different groups.

Blacks drop out of school at a rate much higher than whites. Blacks score lower on standardized tests, face disciplinary issues far more often, don't get into college at anywhere near the same rate as whites, the list goes on. And these things aren't new. This stretches across decades and all demographics.

And it really leaves us with two, big-picture explanations:

1) There is something about the way our society functions that puts blacks at a very real disadvantage

2) Blacks are at a disadvantage because they are inherently dumber and lazier.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/23/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

He'd be wise not to take such tasty bait...assuming you are trying to set him up with this oblique trap.

This has existed in every society, in every possible permutation, for the history of histories. The blunt area I see in your otherwise very sharp point is that you are trying to extend situational truths to encompass the ENTIRETY of American society. Universal statements ultimately ring hollow because they are almost always not true, and, in this case, is not true. Using the word "tend" just makes your argument arbitrary.

You are seriously entertaining, I'll give you that.

I mean, if cccp doesn't see exactly where I'm going with that, he is dumber than even I thought.

Obviously NOTHING encompasses all of society. There are all kinds of people with major disadvantages who end up very successful. That doesn't mean we should ignore the broader implications of how our society interacts with different groups.

Blacks drop out of school at a rate much higher than whites. Blacks score lower on standardized tests, face disciplinary issues far more often, don't get into college at anywhere near the same rate as whites, the list goes on. And these things aren't new. This stretches across decades and all demographics.

And it really leaves us with two, big-picture explanations:

1) There is something about the way our society functions that puts blacks at a very real disadvantage

2) Blacks are at a disadvantage because they are inherently dumber and lazier.

Hmm. I probably shouldn't attempt to get into this right now. This is not to gain sympathy (or anything else) but I underwent chemo yesterday and am not thinking at my best. Nausea and intellectual thought rarely mix well. That is a fact. I'll try anyway and will probably fail.

By including religion, body weight, height, beauty, etc. as analogous to skin color, you marginalize your main argument that institutional racism against black people exists in this country. In a world of utopian perfection, everyone would be blind to superficial differences. We do not and never will live in such a world. With that said, whatever the competition is for - a job, a promotion, a university admission, a scholarship, a loan - there is one winner and a whole bunch of losers. Those losers will include whites, blacks, asians, males, females, christians, jews, muslims, homecoming queens, disgusting fat bodies (Full Metal Jacket,) blondes, brunettes, short folk, gays and so on. Every single loser can thus claim some sort of societal discrimination based on some sort of self-identified societal deficiency and thus stake a claim to some sort of self-identified societal bias. The problem becomes so vast as to elude any practical solution.

If you would have stuck to just skin color, your point would have been much harder to refute.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

Christians have an advantage in Saudi?

I think we should look at each individual case. If I choose to only hire whites because I am racist it still doesn't explain why there are so many single African American parents? Why do you think Jews have been able to overcome antisemitism?

#1) Is Antisemitism not that bad?
#2) Are they more resilient than most?

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/23/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

Christians have an advantage in Saudi?

I think we should look at each individual case. If I choose to only hire whites because I am racist it still doesn't explain why there are so many single African American parents? Why do you think Jews have been able to overcome antisemitism?

#1) Is Antisemitism not that bad?
#2) Are they more resilient than most?

So would you agree that whites have an advantage over blacks?

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

He'd be wise not to take such tasty bait...assuming you are trying to set him up with this oblique trap.

This has existed in every society, in every possible permutation, for the history of histories. The blunt area I see in your otherwise very sharp point is that you are trying to extend situational truths to encompass the ENTIRETY of American society. Universal statements ultimately ring hollow because they are almost always not true, and, in this case, is not true. Using the word "tend" just makes your argument arbitrary.

You are seriously entertaining, I'll give you that.

I mean, if cccp doesn't see exactly where I'm going with that, he is dumber than even I thought.

Obviously NOTHING encompasses all of society. There are all kinds of people with major disadvantages who end up very successful. That doesn't mean we should ignore the broader implications of how our society interacts with different groups.

Blacks drop out of school at a rate much higher than whites. Blacks score lower on standardized tests, face disciplinary issues far more often, don't get into college at anywhere near the same rate as whites, the list goes on. And these things aren't new. This stretches across decades and all demographics.

And it really leaves us with two, big-picture explanations:

1) There is something about the way our society functions that puts blacks at a very real disadvantage

2) Blacks are at a disadvantage because they are inherently dumber and lazier.

Hmm. I probably shouldn't attempt to get into this right now. This is not to gain sympathy (or anything else) but I underwent chemo yesterday and am not thinking at my best. Nausea and intellectual thought rarely mix well. That is a fact. I'll try anyway and will probably fail.

By including religion, body weight, height, beauty, etc. as analogous to skin color, you marginalize your main argument that institutional racism against black people exists in this country. In a world of utopian perfection, everyone would be blind to superficial differences. We do not and never will live in such a world. With that said, whatever the competition is for - a job, a promotion, a university admission, a scholarship, a loan - there is one winner and a whole bunch of losers. Those losers will include whites, blacks, asians, males, females, christians, jews, muslims, homecoming queens, disgusting fat bodies (Full Metal Jacket,) blondes, brunettes, short folk, gays and so on. Every single loser can thus claim some sort of societal discrimination based on some sort of self-identified societal deficiency and thus stake a claim to some sort of self-identified societal bias. The problem becomes so vast as to elude any practical solution.

If you would have stuck to just skin color, your point would have been much harder to refute.

Good luck with the chemo man. Brutal stuff. Sorry to hear that, hope it's a good prognosis.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/23/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

Christians have an advantage in Saudi?

I think we should look at each individual case. If I choose to only hire whites because I am racist it still doesn't explain why there are so many single African American parents? Why do you think Jews have been able to overcome antisemitism?

#1) Is Antisemitism not that bad?
#2) Are they more resilient than most?

So would you agree that whites have an advantage over blacks?

Wait, you wrote “It is” or “indeed it is” or something like that, then edited it.

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/23/2018 5:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/23/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

He'd be wise not to take such tasty bait...assuming you are trying to set him up with this oblique trap.

This has existed in every society, in every possible permutation, for the history of histories. The blunt area I see in your otherwise very sharp point is that you are trying to extend situational truths to encompass the ENTIRETY of American society. Universal statements ultimately ring hollow because they are almost always not true, and, in this case, is not true. Using the word "tend" just makes your argument arbitrary.

You are seriously entertaining, I'll give you that.

I mean, if cccp doesn't see exactly where I'm going with that, he is dumber than even I thought.

Obviously NOTHING encompasses all of society. There are all kinds of people with major disadvantages who end up very successful. That doesn't mean we should ignore the broader implications of how our society interacts with different groups.

Blacks drop out of school at a rate much higher than whites. Blacks score lower on standardized tests, face disciplinary issues far more often, don't get into college at anywhere near the same rate as whites, the list goes on. And these things aren't new. This stretches across decades and all demographics.

And it really leaves us with two, big-picture explanations:

1) There is something about the way our society functions that puts blacks at a very real disadvantage

2) Blacks are at a disadvantage because they are inherently dumber and lazier.

#1) Drop out of school --- when you have one parent you have to drop out to help with $$. Blacks with two parents are a lot more successful than whites with one parent.

#2) Lower on tests --- Those with one parent get less help. I and my wife both help our kids study.

#3) Discipline --- Lack of a father figure. Mom works two jobs. Kid doesn't learn manners.

#4) College -- lower test scores and drop out rates. See above.


Two parents is the reason not skin color. The single parent issue needs to be solved.

Jews almost always have two parents. Same for Asians. This is why they are generally more successful and wealthier than others.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

He'd be wise not to take such tasty bait...assuming you are trying to set him up with this oblique trap.

This has existed in every society, in every possible permutation, for the history of histories. The blunt area I see in your otherwise very sharp point is that you are trying to extend situational truths to encompass the ENTIRETY of American society. Universal statements ultimately ring hollow because they are almost always not true, and, in this case, is not true. Using the word "tend" just makes your argument arbitrary.

You are seriously entertaining, I'll give you that.

I mean, if cccp doesn't see exactly where I'm going with that, he is dumber than even I thought.

Obviously NOTHING encompasses all of society. There are all kinds of people with major disadvantages who end up very successful. That doesn't mean we should ignore the broader implications of how our society interacts with different groups.

Blacks drop out of school at a rate much higher than whites. Blacks score lower on standardized tests, face disciplinary issues far more often, don't get into college at anywhere near the same rate as whites, the list goes on. And these things aren't new. This stretches across decades and all demographics.

And it really leaves us with two, big-picture explanations:

1) There is something about the way our society functions that puts blacks at a very real disadvantage

2) Blacks are at a disadvantage because they are inherently dumber and lazier.

Hmm. I probably shouldn't attempt to get into this right now. This is not to gain sympathy (or anything else) but I underwent chemo yesterday and am not thinking at my best. Nausea and intellectual thought rarely mix well. That is a fact. I'll try anyway and will probably fail.

By including religion, body weight, height, beauty, etc. as analogous to skin color, you marginalize your main argument that institutional racism against black people exists in this country. In a world of utopian perfection, everyone would be blind to superficial differences. We do not and never will live in such a world. With that said, whatever the competition is for - a job, a promotion, a university admission, a scholarship, a loan - there is one winner and a whole bunch of losers. Those losers will include whites, blacks, asians, males, females, christians, jews, muslims, homecoming queens, disgusting fat bodies (Full Metal Jacket,) blondes, brunettes, short folk, gays and so on. Every single loser can thus claim some sort of societal discrimination based on some sort of self-identified societal deficiency and thus stake a claim to some sort of self-identified societal bias. The problem becomes so vast as to elude any practical solution.

If you would have stuck to just skin color, your point would have been much harder to refute.

Wow, sorry about the chemo. Hope that works out for you.

I’m not trying to equate race with other superficial traits, though I get why you’d take it that way.

The main goal of this specifically is just to get cccp to, yet again, acknowledge that white privilege exists.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/23/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

Christians have an advantage in Saudi?

I think we should look at each individual case. If I choose to only hire whites because I am racist it still doesn't explain why there are so many single African American parents? Why do you think Jews have been able to overcome antisemitism?

#1) Is Antisemitism not that bad?
#2) Are they more resilient than most?

So would you agree that whites have an advantage over blacks?

Wait, you wrote “It is” or “indeed it is” or something like that, then edited it.

I didn't finish typing and hit submit by accident.

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/23/2018 6:58:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/23/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/23/2018 5:28:00 PM (view original):
Whatever. There are biases but whites don't have an advantage just for being white any more than tall being have one for being tall. This is my stance at 5:27PM on August 23rd, 2018 on page 85. Now it can never be disputed again.

I think your overall point is that there are several types of advantages and disadvantages in our society.

Christians tend to have an advantage over other religions. Good looking people tend to have an advantage over ugly people. Skinny/fat. Tall/short etc.

Right?

He'd be wise not to take such tasty bait...assuming you are trying to set him up with this oblique trap.

This has existed in every society, in every possible permutation, for the history of histories. The blunt area I see in your otherwise very sharp point is that you are trying to extend situational truths to encompass the ENTIRETY of American society. Universal statements ultimately ring hollow because they are almost always not true, and, in this case, is not true. Using the word "tend" just makes your argument arbitrary.

You are seriously entertaining, I'll give you that.

I mean, if cccp doesn't see exactly where I'm going with that, he is dumber than even I thought.

Obviously NOTHING encompasses all of society. There are all kinds of people with major disadvantages who end up very successful. That doesn't mean we should ignore the broader implications of how our society interacts with different groups.

Blacks drop out of school at a rate much higher than whites. Blacks score lower on standardized tests, face disciplinary issues far more often, don't get into college at anywhere near the same rate as whites, the list goes on. And these things aren't new. This stretches across decades and all demographics.

And it really leaves us with two, big-picture explanations:

1) There is something about the way our society functions that puts blacks at a very real disadvantage

2) Blacks are at a disadvantage because they are inherently dumber and lazier.

Hmm. I probably shouldn't attempt to get into this right now. This is not to gain sympathy (or anything else) but I underwent chemo yesterday and am not thinking at my best. Nausea and intellectual thought rarely mix well. That is a fact. I'll try anyway and will probably fail.

By including religion, body weight, height, beauty, etc. as analogous to skin color, you marginalize your main argument that institutional racism against black people exists in this country. In a world of utopian perfection, everyone would be blind to superficial differences. We do not and never will live in such a world. With that said, whatever the competition is for - a job, a promotion, a university admission, a scholarship, a loan - there is one winner and a whole bunch of losers. Those losers will include whites, blacks, asians, males, females, christians, jews, muslims, homecoming queens, disgusting fat bodies (Full Metal Jacket,) blondes, brunettes, short folk, gays and so on. Every single loser can thus claim some sort of societal discrimination based on some sort of self-identified societal deficiency and thus stake a claim to some sort of self-identified societal bias. The problem becomes so vast as to elude any practical solution.

If you would have stuck to just skin color, your point would have been much harder to refute.

Wow, sorry about the chemo. Hope that works out for you.

I’m not trying to equate race with other superficial traits, though I get why you’d take it that way.

The main goal of this specifically is just to get cccp to, yet again, acknowledge that white privilege exists.

Are you saying I am privileged over Barrack Obama?