Posted by mullycj on 8/30/2018 11:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mamxet on 8/29/2018 7:03:00 PM (view original):
for me, the Big Board is an imperfect but very useful bit of guidance - losing it would make the EE process much worse if one wants to attempt to predict the chances of losing players.

the fact that it is imperfect doesnt make it usefless

Agree.... people that want to remove the Board or remove the % probability to sign recruits just want to bury their head in the sand.

To those who don't like it, its the SYSTEM that was ill-conceived. Knowing or not knowing how poorly designed the game is doesn't change that.

Its like not wanting to have a weather forecast because of the time it said only 25% chance of rain so you made plans and it rained. Don't blame the forecaster, blame the predictability of the weather.

Yeah I know. I was just being argumentative because I think the system is stupid. Just like you say.

I agree bathtub. What would happen if the top 15 guys always went Pro? Would that ruin the game? Would people say "gee wiz, I hate D1 now"? Of course not.

One thing the big board does do - it shows exactly how the system is broken and produces unrealistic results. I remember hearing all through beta and after about 'well that's how it works in real life' or w/e. And I see that all the time on the boards too.

"It's not realistic to send more than 20 Home Visits".. but it's realistic to send 20 Home Visits in one cycle which is basically a day of real life time?
"It's realistic for taking over a new team to be difficult"... but it's realistic for a D3 team to beat A+ Uconn for a recruit?
"it's realistic for a player to leave school early even though they won't get drafted"... but it's realistic for the #1 player on the big board to return to school?

Talking out of both sides of your mouth is a well practiced art around here.

Benis laying the smackdown!

Posted by Benis on 8/30/2018 1:24:00 PM (view original):
One thing the big board does do - it shows exactly how the system is broken and produces unrealistic results. I remember hearing all through beta and after about 'well that's how it works in real life' or w/e. And I see that all the time on the boards too.

"It's not realistic to send more than 20 Home Visits".. but it's realistic to send 20 Home Visits in one cycle which is basically a day of real life time?
"It's realistic for taking over a new team to be difficult"... but it's realistic for a D3 team to beat A+ Uconn for a recruit?
"it's realistic for a player to leave school early even though they won't get drafted"... but it's realistic for the #1 player on the big board to return to school?

Talking out of both sides of your mouth is a well practiced art around here.

This

Posted by shoe3 on 8/26/2018 1:41:00 PM (view original):
From another thread:

”For what it’s worth, here are the prime indicators I use to gauge if a player is a possible early entry candidate. I evaluate all players for whom I expend significant recruiting effort (all in, or near max visits). I don’t mind early entry candidates, but I try not to have more than one in any given class. In order of importance:

1) Class ranking by position. Top 5 players by position are very likely to be on the big board prior to their senior year, and are EE candidates. Top 20 players by position are all in the watch zone for me. There are obviously some duds that never get too close, and you can spot them by potential. At the same time, there are (rarely) players out of the top 20 by position with high potential who can get to the big board prior to senior year, with maximized development.
2) LP/Per combo. If either projects to 90+, or if in combination they project to 140+, they may be early entry candidates, if some other baseline conditions are met.
3) Ath/Spd/Def core. In general, a 270 combo in those 3 will put the player in range, if other conditions are met. Sometimes guards with 100/100 ath/def, but under 80 speed can sneak by off the big board, even if they surpass the 270.
4) Skill cores all project above 80. For guards, it’s per, ball handling, pass; for bigs it’s rebounding, block, and LP. Keep in mind, the fake NBA GMs value skill cores (especially LP and per) more than the HD community does.
5) Overall near 800. This is the least important of the indicators, but especially if one or more of the indicators above is true, this one can be worth looking at, especially if the player has no glaring weakness at his position.

People mistakenly use the word “random” in relation to the big board and EEs. What they mean is probabilistic, of course. Even though a number is randomly generated to trigger the final decision, where that number lies on the player’s probability line is determined by how the system weighs his attributes, and how he stacks up relatively against everyone else. There is a rhyme and reason, it is our job as coaches to assess where each player we recruit lines up.”

Is this just somebody's conjecture or is this list of indicators from the keyboards of the Dev's?

Posted by Benis on 8/30/2018 1:24:00 PM (view original):
One thing the big board does do - it shows exactly how the system is broken and produces unrealistic results. I remember hearing all through beta and after about 'well that's how it works in real life' or w/e. And I see that all the time on the boards too.

"It's not realistic to send more than 20 Home Visits".. but it's realistic to send 20 Home Visits in one cycle which is basically a day of real life time?
"It's realistic for taking over a new team to be difficult"... but it's realistic for a D3 team to beat A+ Uconn for a recruit?
"it's realistic for a player to leave school early even though they won't get drafted"... but it's realistic for the #1 player on the big board to return to school?

Talking out of both sides of your mouth is a well practiced art around here.

1) Doing 20 home visits period is unrealistic, and (more importantly) it’s bad gameplay. The game would be better with no cash, and recruits determining if they want to see a coach at home, or if they want to visit campus. But if it’s going to be an effort-based bidding process, home visits need to be limited. The lower the limit, the better.

2) D3 teams don’t beat A+ UConn when UConn has put any amount of effort in. I know some folks swear there was this one time when some A+ D1 school put in the same number of visits, blah blah, blah. Anyone who has played any amount of D3 knows that’s bullsh!t. Those very isolated and rare reported outcomes are either resulting from isolated glitches, or (more likely) the result of a mistake or misunderstanding, or outright lying. It doesn’t happen. Some results are *surprising*. But they are not random, and they result from prioritization choices that coaches made.

3) HD players that leave school get drafted. No one goes undrafted. It’s not realistic, but it’s better gameplay than the realistic alternative in a competitive, multi-player setting, which would be where players all declare independent of the draft positions.

Realism is not the standard. Good competitive gameplay is the standard. It’s perfectly reasonable for people to enjoy realism in some processes, and not in others.

Did shoe really just say bullshit?! Guys, he's coming around! I think he's starting to have a lil fun with this! Well done shoe!

Lost another guy not even on the Big Board w/ GT in Tark. Wow.

3 guys not on the big board left early in Tark. In the 15 other seasons I tracked there were 7 total such players. Not sure what the eff happened this season. Random AF.

How many EEs were there total this season in Tark?

32 early entries, which is not an abnormal number. Quite a few said no thanks to the draft this year (including 2 of GT’s sophs). That’s why it goes off the board. The big board doesn’t tell you who is going to go, or who might go. It gives you a snapshot.

FWIW, the guy Benis lost met 3 of the 5 criteria I listed on the first page. A coach who knows what s/he is doing should know that anyone who meets more than one (especially if the first or last are met) can be in play, especially a junior.

Posted by Benis on 11/1/2018 8:37:00 AM (view original):
Lost another guy not even on the Big Board w/ GT in Tark. Wow.

3 guys not on the big board left early in Tark. In the 15 other seasons I tracked there were 7 total such players. Not sure what the eff happened this season. Random AF.

If players are going off the board, it should be listed to 150 or 200 then.

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/1/2018 3:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 11/1/2018 8:37:00 AM (view original):
Lost another guy not even on the Big Board w/ GT in Tark. Wow.

3 guys not on the big board left early in Tark. In the 15 other seasons I tracked there were 7 total such players. Not sure what the eff happened this season. Random AF.

If players are going off the board, it should be listed to 150 or 200 then.

Why? The game already warns you that guys not on the big board might leave. How much further do you guys need WIS to dumb it down?

Posted by kcsundevil on 11/1/2018 4:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/1/2018 3:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 11/1/2018 8:37:00 AM (view original):
Lost another guy not even on the Big Board w/ GT in Tark. Wow.

3 guys not on the big board left early in Tark. In the 15 other seasons I tracked there were 7 total such players. Not sure what the eff happened this season. Random AF.

If players are going off the board, it should be listed to 150 or 200 then.

Why? The game already warns you that guys not on the big board might leave. How much further do you guys need WIS to dumb it down?

You done playing KC? No more teams?

I have a few seasons on my account. Will be back in the game soon. Boooooo Syracuse.

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/1/2018 3:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 11/1/2018 8:37:00 AM (view original):
Lost another guy not even on the Big Board w/ GT in Tark. Wow.

3 guys not on the big board left early in Tark. In the 15 other seasons I tracked there were 7 total such players. Not sure what the eff happened this season. Random AF.

If players are going off the board, it should be listed to 150 or 200 then.

Agree - just out to 125 would do it.