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If Trump and democrats switched opinions on climate change, I would seriously consider voting for him in 2020.

There is 100% climate change. We just don't know how much is man made and how much is just nature. Remeber that volcano that errupted in Iceland? Covered all of Europe for how long in black clouds. Even if we put 100% effort into being more green and we have become a lot more green than we were in the 80s say, other countries like China and India have to come along and STILL we would not know how we are impacting this.

Who cares how much is man made? Maybe if we stopped denying science and invested in research, this **** wouldn't be up for debate. It is still an issue. Regardless of who dun it. Just because China and India also contribute doesn't mean that we should do nothing? Are you seriously defending Trump on this?

Obama was POTUS for 8 yrs before Trump. Clinton was there in the 90s. So are you really blaming Trump and his ~500 days? Illogical.

I 100% agree that Obama should have done more. He at least adknowledged the issue and made it important. Clinton a non-sequiter. No one knew about Climate Change being a big issue back then. Trump is the first president to deny it and make it worse. It ****** me off. Stop defending him.

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Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2018 11:10:00 AM (view original):
If Trump and democrats switched opinions on climate change, I would seriously consider voting for him in 2020.

There is 100% climate change. We just don't know how much is man made and how much is just nature. Remeber that volcano that errupted in Iceland? Covered all of Europe for how long in black clouds. Even if we put 100% effort into being more green and we have become a lot more green than we were in the 80s say, other countries like China and India have to come along and STILL we would not know how we are impacting this.

Who cares how much is man made? Maybe if we stopped denying science and invested in research, this **** wouldn't be up for debate. It is still an issue. Regardless of who dun it. Just because China and India also contribute doesn't mean that we should do nothing? Are you seriously defending Trump on this?

Obama was POTUS for 8 yrs before Trump. Clinton was there in the 90s. So are you really blaming Trump and his ~500 days? Illogical.

I 100% agree that Obama should have done more. He at least adknowledged the issue and made it important. Clinton a non-sequiter. No one knew about Climate Change being a big issue back then. Trump is the first president to deny it and make it worse. It ****** me off. Stop defending him.

Shapiro agrees with me. We don't have enough proof in terms of how much man influences the environment.

What do you mean Shapiro agrees with you? Who cares how much man effects? Yes we do have a very good idea, but who cares if we do or don't? Seriously it is OK to agree with me and say that Trump is wrong on this?

Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2018 3:09:00 PM (view original):
What do you mean Shapiro agrees with you? Who cares how much man effects? Yes we do have a very good idea, but who cares if we do or don't? Seriously it is OK to agree with me and say that Trump is wrong on this?

Wrong in what? I am not sure what exactly you want and what he is pushing back on that you dislike? We already have a ton of electric cars, solar power (massive tax credits), we are much better at recycling (must in my town if you want your trash picked up). What more would you like?

I am all for the environment but Trump didn't run on that. He ran on immigration, economy and military. Those will be his primary focuses. We already compared notes and what is top of mind to you is not to me.

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Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2018 3:09:00 PM (view original):
What do you mean Shapiro agrees with you? Who cares how much man effects? Yes we do have a very good idea, but who cares if we do or don't? Seriously it is OK to agree with me and say that Trump is wrong on this?

Wrong in what? I am not sure what exactly you want and what he is pushing back on that you dislike? We already have a ton of electric cars, solar power (massive tax credits), we are much better at recycling (must in my town if you want your trash picked up). What more would you like?

I am all for the environment but Trump didn't run on that. He ran on immigration, economy and military. Those will be his primary focuses. We already compared notes and what is top of mind to you is not to me.

Yeah none of those things are due to Trump and we still see that the USA emits too many greenhouse gases. We still have restrictions on fuel and energy efficient devices. Trump took away many environmental-protecting regulations. We need to establish ourselves as a leader on climate and cooperate with the world. I am not a scientist but we need more commissions around this and do whatever they like. Also start accepting people who will lose their homes as a result of climate change.

Natural disasters have been happening since the beginning of time. See Pompei. Cannot really prove that these disasters are due to man made climate change.

Why do you keep arguing this? Why does it matter if it is made made or not? Yes disasters have always happened. There is real scientific evidence that disasters are heightened and exaggerated by man.

Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2018 4:07:00 PM (view original):
Why do you keep arguing this? Why does it matter if it is made made or not? Yes disasters have always happened. There is real scientific evidence that disasters are heightened and exaggerated by man.

There actually is not.

https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

There is.

And AGAIN, why does it matter if it is man made or not? Is it not still an issue?

Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2018 4:12:00 PM (view original):

https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

There is.

And AGAIN, why does it matter if it is man made or not? Is it not still an issue?

Yes. But if it is not man made, what exactly do you want Trump to do about it?

What does NASA recommend the President do?

Posted by cccp1014 on 9/13/2018 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2018 4:12:00 PM (view original):

https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

There is.

And AGAIN, why does it matter if it is man made or not? Is it not still an issue?

Yes. But if it is not man made, what exactly do you want Trump to do about it?

What does NASA recommend the President do?

I literally just told you.

https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
https://climate.nasa.gov/solutions/adaptation-mitigation/

So is Trump stopping NASA? Is he cancelling solar credits? You are at best incoherent. I think Trump should do what the experts at NASA advise.

He clearly isn't doing that. NASA doesn't have power. Trump cut their budget.

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Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2018 11:10:00 AM (view original):
If Trump and democrats switched opinions on climate change, I would seriously consider voting for him in 2020.

There is 100% climate change. We just don't know how much is man made and how much is just nature. Remeber that volcano that errupted in Iceland? Covered all of Europe for how long in black clouds. Even if we put 100% effort into being more green and we have become a lot more green than we were in the 80s say, other countries like China and India have to come along and STILL we would not know how we are impacting this.

Who cares how much is man made? Maybe if we stopped denying science and invested in research, this **** wouldn't be up for debate. It is still an issue. Regardless of who dun it. Just because China and India also contribute doesn't mean that we should do nothing? Are you seriously defending Trump on this?

Obama was POTUS for 8 yrs before Trump. Clinton was there in the 90s. So are you really blaming Trump and his ~500 days? Illogical.

just because Obama and Clinton could have done more does not excuse Trump for undoing whatever good Obama and Clinton did do.

Bingo