Posted by cccp1014 on 9/17/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/17/2018 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Let's say that I am a 65 year old elderly person who is low middle class/below poverty line. How does your plan impact my life?

Simple. Now she calls the MD and says my leg hurts. The office assistant asks. What is your insurance? She says Medicare. She says we can see you in 3 weeks. MD makes less from Medicare than those with Corp. coverage so they postpone her. By week 2 the leg is really bad and the old lady goes to the ER. It is just a foot sprain but she made it worse by walking on it. They give her an air cast, meds, etc. and charge ER rates.

My plan would be to have Medicare cover as much as Corp. Ins. So now the MD sees her right away. He says its a mild foot sprain stay off it for a few days and take some Advil. She gets better and no ER visit. Delta in fee is about $2k.

That is ONE example.

any doctor who postpones seeing someone because of their medical coverage shouldn't be a doctor.

I'm not sure I have ever heard of a doctor postponing seeing a patient, but there are a large percentage that do not take medicaid. It's hard to get paid and, as CCCP said, it pays less.

For a government to survive and grow and be healthy and happy and functional, not only do the citizens have to buy in and believe in their future, the actual sitting executive branch writing law and representing their republic, must work together. No sit outs or ins or boycotts or resist or any of the BS the liberal wing of any party is displaying in our current situation. They are killing all of us. We will continue to be dysfunctional as long as the radical left wing of government and media and education distort the facts in an effort to overturn our existing contract we call the Constitution and replace it with what they want. And to do it by executive order or laws written from the bench and declaring precedence while rejecting the firm precedence already set forth in our wonderful Constitution and original Bill of Rights.

What we are witnessing and experiencing is not forward and natural evolution. It is De-evolution. Replete throughout history. There is no peace in violence. There is no progress in obstruction. There is no justice without just law.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/17/2018 7:24:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure I have ever heard of a doctor postponing seeing a patient, but there are a large percentage that do not take medicaid. It's hard to get paid and, as CCCP said, it pays less.

doesn't that sort of go against the oath they take when they become doctors? Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it shouldn't be a factor.

Posted by wylie715 on 9/17/2018 7:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/17/2018 7:24:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure I have ever heard of a doctor postponing seeing a patient, but there are a large percentage that do not take medicaid. It's hard to get paid and, as CCCP said, it pays less.

doesn't that sort of go against the oath they take when they become doctors? Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it shouldn't be a factor.

Hmmmmm.......I want plumbers and roofers and cable providers to take an oath.

Posted by wylie715 on 9/17/2018 7:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/17/2018 7:24:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure I have ever heard of a doctor postponing seeing a patient, but there are a large percentage that do not take medicaid. It's hard to get paid and, as CCCP said, it pays less.

doesn't that sort of go against the oath they take when they become doctors? Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it shouldn't be a factor.

At the end of the day, a doctors office is still a business. They have to make money to stay open. I have friend whose practice actually loses money. She is terrible with the collection side of things. Luckily, her husband does very well.

Also, I see not taking Medicaid as no different than not taking other insurance, which is common.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/17/2018 6:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/17/2018 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/17/2018 5:39:00 PM (view original):
It may not impact their life, but the governments job is not to provide for each citizen. It is to make provide for the union as a whole. Balancing the budget and lowering debt is better for the union as a whole.

I respectfully disagree. The well-being of its citizens should be a primary focus of a government.

Yes, as a whole. It is not responsible for each individual citizen. To say otherwise is just naive.

The singular example of the elderly woman is clearly not the only person to be impacted by the plan.

Huh? You gave that example. I haven't even responded to it specifically. The government is not responsible for each person individually. We are responsible for ourselves. The government is responsible for the country as a whole. As JFK said "ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country."

I think we agree here, but we aren't on the same page.

We don't agree here. You think it's the government's responsibility to provide for the indigent. I do not.

I think it is the government's responsibility to care about the well-being of its citizens.

Well, that's great and all, but I live in Kansas, my church is not wealthy enough to pay for anything, My friends are all millennials, and Kris Kobach is going to be my next governor. What now.

Posted by tangplay on 9/18/2018 12:15:00 AM (view original):
I think it is the government's responsibility to care about the well-being of its citizens.

that's a very noble idea, but there are approximately 325 million citizens. There is no way the government can take care of all of them. What is good for some of those citizens may not be good for others. The key is the government should try to do the most good while also doing the least amount of harm, because as I said, what is good for some citizens will not be good for others.

That is why limited government is so important. The more we grow government, the more chance of harm.