i just see socialism in the united states as certain clusters of laws to ensure equal opportunity....equal access and stability...i think the tag is worse then the fact.

Let's not forget the other side effects of government regulation. Regulation makes the rich richer. Regulations cost business owners money. Large corporations such as Wal-Mart can afford the cost of these new regulations. Small businesses can't and it drives them under creating monopolies and making the larger companies even richer.

socialism is inherent in all huge countries and societies........it is part of all large democracies......communism is a different animal.

the problem is not regulations....the problem is fair and proper and needed regulations.
we dont want counterproductive regulations.

Socialism creates dependency and, as doc said, reduces incentive and motivation. We see it all the time in America. People thrive when they don't have a safety net. A large portion of our country underestimate the resiliency of Americans.

Think of the government as a humongous DMV. They aren't the least concerned about your wait time. They almost certainly never exceed your expectations. Government cannot manage itself. David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manager, explained that government had become so vast it was unmanageable. Nothing is done on time, or on budget. They cannot for the most part be held accountable. Why on Earth should we ever want to expand their ability to waste more of our time and money?

Think of any goods or services provided by the government as a tax. Every worker, desk, office building, every check they write. It all requires funds derived from taxes.

The Boston tea party was an outrage based on taxes ranging around 2%. The colonists were upset over The Crown's demands that they purchase all of their goods from the East Indian Trading Company, merchants of the British government. Privateers like John Hancock led the rebellion.

Today there are Americans paying more than 20x that tax rate. Ridiculous

Posted by dino27 on 10/12/2018 11:03:00 PM (view original):
the problem is not regulations....the problem is fair and proper and needed regulations.
we dont want counterproductive regulations.

I agree that some regulation is necessary, but as a small business owner, I see the effects first hand of over regulation and needless regulations. We have many needless regulations that drive small companies out of business.

everybody hates bureaucracy.....govt and private....is it any wonder that sears is going belly up....their bureaucracy sucked........areas of the govt that are completely based on merit and dont have politics involved have a better chance.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Think of the government as a humongous DMV. They aren't the least concerned about your wait time. They almost certainly never exceed your expectations. Government cannot manage itself. David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manager, explained that government had become so vast it was unmanageable. Nothing is done on time, or on budget. They cannot for the most part be held accountable. Why on Earth should we ever want to expand their ability to waste more of our time and money?

Think of any goods or services provided by the government as a tax. Every worker, desk, office building, every check they write. It all requires funds derived from taxes.

The Boston tea party was an outrage based on taxes ranging around 2%. The colonists were upset over The Crown's demands that they purchase all of their goods from the East Indian Trading Company, merchants of the British government. Privateers like John Hancock led the rebellion.

Today there are Americans paying more than 20x that tax rate. Ridiculous

Yes, and the irony of this is that you hear from many Americans that certain people should be taxed more as if 40%+ isn't enough.

Government should exist to provide limited services. It has no business being all powerful. The private sector can do everything cheaper and better. Strength through competition will always beat what the government will get done. If we throttle the government, what it is left to do can be done much more efficiently. It is too big for its britches. Period

Posted by dino27 on 10/12/2018 11:08:00 PM (view original):
everybody hates bureaucracy.....govt and private....is it any wonder that sears is going belly up....their bureaucracy sucked........areas of the govt that are completely based on merit and dont have politics involved have a better chance.

I agree, but there is nowhere in our government where politics aren't involved and yet people call for more government intervention.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 10:52:00 PM (view original):
You can't make fun of people's religion without ******* them off. Your choice.

The choice we are facing is stark. Socialism in small doses might work, but you cannot remove the incentive to do better without anarchy. Over time people will see hard work is a waste of time, when the guy next door just sits on the porch, waiting on the postal worker to drop off his check.

Capitalism provides opportunity. Sure, some businesses will fail, but many will move up the ladder. Today Quaker Window announced a new plant will be built in Eldon, Missouri, 35 miles SW of Jefferson City. Initially they will hire 300 workers. But it creates additional opportunity. Housing, a bank, gas station, restaurants, office supplies, trade workers to build and then maintain the facility. Down the street a nail shop and a deli will open. Giving people incentive to do better, to live the American dream does not need Socialism. We are quickly nearing a full workforce. Just about everyone looking for a job has found one. Businesses will be forced to compete for workers. That is how you create an increase in wages, not artificially when businesses are barely getting by. That causes layoffs.

People need to see the danger of the people existing to serve the government. It was created to serve the people. Those with power want to remain in power. They make the rules. The rules benefit them, not us. Money gives them the means to maintain control. This is K Street. You are either with us, or with them. It is essential that as much money as possible be taken away from their control. State and local government is much more efficient.

What the HELL are you talking about? Do you have schizophrenia?

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 10/12/2018 11:03:00 PM (view original):
the problem is not regulations....the problem is fair and proper and needed regulations.
we dont want counterproductive regulations.

I agree that some regulation is necessary, but as a small business owner, I see the effects first hand of over regulation and needless regulations. We have many needless regulations that drive small companies out of business.

i agree......we would have better regs if they were not so politically motivated......what if small business owners banded together more on local and state levels and made demands and suggestions of entire legislatures based solely on mutual self interest......we dont have that anymore if we ever did.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Socialism creates dependency and, as doc said, reduces incentive and motivation. We see it all the time in America. People thrive when they don't have a safety net. A large portion of our country underestimate the resiliency of Americans.

Wait, what? "People strive when they don't have a safety net." What the **** are YOU talking about? We have welfare in the USA. Yeah, it is a good motivator, but failing shouldn't mean death for you and suffering for your kids.

It's like advocating for death penalty punishment for misdemeanors. Yeah, it is a pretty good motivator, but it seems a bit harsh.

In the mean time, K Street and its minions will fight Trump every step of the way. Somehow try to see him not as the enemy. Disagree with policy. Fine. But there is no need to want to lynch him. He just might be the right guy at the right time. If I am wrong, so be it...