Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:10:00 PM (view original):
Government should exist to provide limited services. It has no business being all powerful. The private sector can do everything cheaper and better. Strength through competition will always beat what the government will get done. If we throttle the government, what it is left to do can be done much more efficiently. It is too big for its britches. Period

It will continue to grow. Neither party truly wants limited government. At least those in power from the left of the isle are honest about wanting a large government. The right talk about limited government, but then continue to grow it. The true problem lies in that anything that is cut will **** someone off and will cost someone votes.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Think of the government as a humongous DMV. They aren't the least concerned about your wait time. They almost certainly never exceed your expectations. Government cannot manage itself. David Axelrod, Obama's campaign manager, explained that government had become so vast it was unmanageable. Nothing is done on time, or on budget. They cannot for the most part be held accountable. Why on Earth should we ever want to expand their ability to waste more of our time and money?

Think of any goods or services provided by the government as a tax. Every worker, desk, office building, every check they write. It all requires funds derived from taxes.

The Boston tea party was an outrage based on taxes ranging around 2%. The colonists were upset over The Crown's demands that they purchase all of their goods from the East Indian Trading Company, merchants of the British government. Privateers like John Hancock led the rebellion.

Today there are Americans paying more than 20x that tax rate. Ridiculous

I think the tea-partiers would have been fine with the 2% tax if they had representation.

And we pay taxes to support useful government programs that help people. Taking those programs away is not beneficial.

Now, if you want to argue that government is inefficient, I agree with you, and reform needs to be made. I don't see how the solution is no government.

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Socialism creates dependency and, as doc said, reduces incentive and motivation. We see it all the time in America. People thrive when they don't have a safety net. A large portion of our country underestimate the resiliency of Americans.

Wait, what? "People strive when they don't have a safety net." What the **** are YOU talking about? We have welfare in the USA. Yeah, it is a good motivator, but failing shouldn't mean death for you and suffering for your kids.

It's like advocating for death penalty punishment for misdemeanors. Yeah, it is a pretty good motivator, but it seems a bit harsh.

His suggestion is that the safety net makes people lazy, which causes dependency. Yeah, I had to reread it. I first saw it as a typo...

no one has ever created an us vs them society as trump has done......that is why he is so dangerous....it is counter to what we aspire to as a country and as human beings.

Tang, if you are too tired at 10:15 PM to think logically before posting, please wait until tomorrow.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 10/12/2018 11:03:00 PM (view original):
the problem is not regulations....the problem is fair and proper and needed regulations.
we dont want counterproductive regulations.

I agree that some regulation is necessary, but as a small business owner, I see the effects first hand of over regulation and needless regulations. We have many needless regulations that drive small companies out of business.

All regulations serve a purpose. As Barack Obama says, we could do many, many things (removing regulations) to drive prices down, but that always trades off with public safety and welfare. You lose me when you prioritize econ over everything else.

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 10:52:00 PM (view original):
You can't make fun of people's religion without ******* them off. Your choice.

The choice we are facing is stark. Socialism in small doses might work, but you cannot remove the incentive to do better without anarchy. Over time people will see hard work is a waste of time, when the guy next door just sits on the porch, waiting on the postal worker to drop off his check.

Capitalism provides opportunity. Sure, some businesses will fail, but many will move up the ladder. Today Quaker Window announced a new plant will be built in Eldon, Missouri, 35 miles SW of Jefferson City. Initially they will hire 300 workers. But it creates additional opportunity. Housing, a bank, gas station, restaurants, office supplies, trade workers to build and then maintain the facility. Down the street a nail shop and a deli will open. Giving people incentive to do better, to live the American dream does not need Socialism. We are quickly nearing a full workforce. Just about everyone looking for a job has found one. Businesses will be forced to compete for workers. That is how you create an increase in wages, not artificially when businesses are barely getting by. That causes layoffs.

People need to see the danger of the people existing to serve the government. It was created to serve the people. Those with power want to remain in power. They make the rules. The rules benefit them, not us. Money gives them the means to maintain control. This is K Street. You are either with us, or with them. It is essential that as much money as possible be taken away from their control. State and local government is much more efficient.

What the HELL are you talking about? Do you have schizophrenia?

No, I possess no mental impairment. What exactly do you take issue with?

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:10:00 PM (view original):
Government should exist to provide limited services. It has no business being all powerful. The private sector can do everything cheaper and better. Strength through competition will always beat what the government will get done. If we throttle the government, what it is left to do can be done much more efficiently. It is too big for its britches. Period

Yeah, but that's not true. We adapted to bigger and bigger government because the private sector SUCKED.

The healthiest countries in the world have universal healthcare.

It's also funny that the 'limited services' you advocate for typically benefit the rich, and the services you want to cut don't.

Please read my post again. With all due respect, you are posting some very irrational stuff tonight.

Posted by dino27 on 10/12/2018 11:16:00 PM (view original):
no one has ever created an us vs them society as trump has done......that is why he is so dangerous....it is counter to what we aspire to as a country and as human beings.

Your bud Obama was working diligently on exactly this.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:14:00 PM (view original):
In the mean time, K Street and its minions will fight Trump every step of the way. Somehow try to see him not as the enemy. Disagree with policy. Fine. But there is no need to want to lynch him. He just might be the right guy at the right time. If I am wrong, so be it...

Who are you responding to? I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are addressing.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:10:00 PM (view original):
Government should exist to provide limited services. It has no business being all powerful. The private sector can do everything cheaper and better. Strength through competition will always beat what the government will get done. If we throttle the government, what it is left to do can be done much more efficiently. It is too big for its britches. Period

It will continue to grow. Neither party truly wants limited government. At least those in power from the left of the isle are honest about wanting a large government. The right talk about limited government, but then continue to grow it. The true problem lies in that anything that is cut will **** someone off and will cost someone votes.

As I have said numerous times, I don't think the goal is larger government. The goal is a betterment of American's lives. If it takes larger government to do that, so be it.

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:14:00 PM (view original):
In the mean time, K Street and its minions will fight Trump every step of the way. Somehow try to see him not as the enemy. Disagree with policy. Fine. But there is no need to want to lynch him. He just might be the right guy at the right time. If I am wrong, so be it...

Who are you responding to? I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are addressing.

Dino

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 10/12/2018 11:16:00 PM (view original):
no one has ever created an us vs them society as trump has done......that is why he is so dangerous....it is counter to what we aspire to as a country and as human beings.

Your bud Obama was working diligently on exactly this.

This is what I was thinking. Trump is undoubtedly politically divisive, but it did not start with Trump. It truly started with Obama.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:04:00 PM (view original):
Socialism creates dependency and, as doc said, reduces incentive and motivation. We see it all the time in America. People thrive when they don't have a safety net. A large portion of our country underestimate the resiliency of Americans.

Wait, what? "People strive when they don't have a safety net." What the **** are YOU talking about? We have welfare in the USA. Yeah, it is a good motivator, but failing shouldn't mean death for you and suffering for your kids.

It's like advocating for death penalty punishment for misdemeanors. Yeah, it is a pretty good motivator, but it seems a bit harsh.

His suggestion is that the safety net makes people lazy, which causes dependency. Yeah, I had to reread it. I first saw it as a typo...

I disagree. Yes, no safety net would be a motivator, just like a tight rope walker without a literal safety net is a motivator not to fall off.