Tang supports AOC who wants to nationalize industries. He is a socialist. Like her.

We need to reform entitlements. Otherwise they become insolvent. The can has been kicked too long. The disservice of not fixing it will cause many to in time lose benefits.

I agree. The truly disabled need help. I personally don't think it's the government's responsibility as I think it rests on the shoulders of the community, but I'm not opposed to government intervention here either as the communities have failed, primarily the church.

When I say disability, I mean actual disabilities. A manager at one of my friend's place of employment just took a 6-week FMLA leave because he was stressed. Stress is part of life, not a disability. If you are physically well, you should be working.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:36:00 PM (view original):
Tang, what you fail to realize is that social welfare does not help families. It creates a temporary band aid, but over generations it does much more harm than good. It creates an unhealthy reliance on government. I have told you the story about the sixth grader that told me "I don't have to do his work because I will always receive a check." This goes back to the dependency that I was referring to. It is a mindset that can last many generations. People in power use social welfare to enslave their populace.

Another good example that I can give you deal's with my aunt. She is in her mid-60's and has lived off of my grandfather her entire life. He has created a monster. She has very little understanding of how to manage money and has never been able to keep a job. She has no desire to keep a job because she knows that daddy will always be there with his check book. Guess what, he just turned 94. At most, and this is being highly optimistic, he has 5-10 years left with us. What is she going to do when he passes. She's already burnt through her inheritance. The problem that my grandfather created is the same problem that our government has created.

I know you find me harsh on this issue, but I am actually not. I believe that the American people are stronger than what many on the left and our government give them credit for. I believe that if we did not have as many social safety nets, people would still find a way to survive and thrive.

I completely agree that the system is abused too much and that it needs reform. I disagree that it needs to be taken away. We just disagree on your last sentence.

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2018 11:44:00 PM (view original):
Tang supports AOC who wants to nationalize industries. He is a socialist. Like her.

Seriously, how would it be better if a utility was government run? Did they suddenly get less proficient at being dumb and wasteful?

And yes Tang, you are a socialist. Bernie is a socialist. AOC is a socialist. It's okay. You and them have every right to be one in America. It is a luxury of our freedoms, but you keep claiming that you are not and that is denial.

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Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:24:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by dino27 on 10/12/2018 11:16:00 PM (view original):
no one has ever created an us vs them society as trump has done......that is why he is so dangerous....it is counter to what we aspire to as a country and as human beings.

Your bud Obama was working diligently on exactly this.

This is what I was thinking. Trump is undoubtedly politically divisive, but it did not start with Trump. It truly started with Obama.

The country wasn't politically divided before Obama?

Talk about misinformed statements.

Not misinformed at all. We have always had a political divide. The divide grew significantly during Bush's second term, but Bush wasn't a divisive president. He was a bad president and this drove a wedge between the parties. Obama was an intentionally divisive president. McConnell and the crew take blame here as well. It's not all on Obama. Prior to Bush, the country worked together fairly well. There were disagreements, but Reagan/O'Neill and Clinton/Gingrich were very civil adversaries and knew how to find a middle ground.

I think Obama was a divisive president, but I don't think he was an intentionally divisive president any more than Bush was.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:43:00 PM (view original):
We can, shall, should help those unable to make it on their own. Unable does not equal unwilling. There must be incentive for people to want to do better. That is not being cold or uncaring. It is the opposite. It is good for them.

With our ducks in a row, we are better equipped to provide for those who need us.

I agree with you.

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:36:00 PM (view original):
Tang, what you fail to realize is that social welfare does not help families. It creates a temporary band aid, but over generations it does much more harm than good. It creates an unhealthy reliance on government. I have told you the story about the sixth grader that told me "I don't have to do his work because I will always receive a check." This goes back to the dependency that I was referring to. It is a mindset that can last many generations. People in power use social welfare to enslave their populace.

Another good example that I can give you deal's with my aunt. She is in her mid-60's and has lived off of my grandfather her entire life. He has created a monster. She has very little understanding of how to manage money and has never been able to keep a job. She has no desire to keep a job because she knows that daddy will always be there with his check book. Guess what, he just turned 94. At most, and this is being highly optimistic, he has 5-10 years left with us. What is she going to do when he passes. She's already burnt through her inheritance. The problem that my grandfather created is the same problem that our government has created.

I know you find me harsh on this issue, but I am actually not. I believe that the American people are stronger than what many on the left and our government give them credit for. I believe that if we did not have as many social safety nets, people would still find a way to survive and thrive.

I completely agree that the system is abused too much and that it needs reform. I disagree that it needs to be taken away. We just disagree on your last sentence.

So you don't believe that Americans are strong enough to thrive without the help of the government?

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2018 11:44:00 PM (view original):
Tang supports AOC who wants to nationalize industries. He is a socialist. Like her.

So because I support a candidate I support everything that they support?

AOC is farther left than I am.

Yes, government can augment the assistance. But government was never designed to be a charity. Charities were well run, well funded for centuries before government got involved.

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/12/2018 11:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 10/12/2018 11:16:00 PM (view original):
no one has ever created an us vs them society as trump has done......that is why he is so dangerous....it is counter to what we aspire to as a country and as human beings.

Your bud Obama was working diligently on exactly this.

This is what I was thinking. Trump is undoubtedly politically divisive, but it did not start with Trump. It truly started with Obama.

The country wasn't politically divided before Obama?

Talk about misinformed statements.

Not misinformed at all. We have always had a political divide. The divide grew significantly during Bush's second term, but Bush wasn't a divisive president. He was a bad president and this drove a wedge between the parties. Obama was an intentionally divisive president. McConnell and the crew take blame here as well. It's not all on Obama. Prior to Bush, the country worked together fairly well. There were disagreements, but Reagan/O'Neill and Clinton/Gingrich were very civil adversaries and knew how to find a middle ground.

I think Obama was a divisive president, but I don't think he was an intentionally divisive president any more than Bush was.

Bush wasn't divisive in any way that I can remember. Obama intentionally made comments to rile his political opposition. Please google me a comment that Bush made as such.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:48:00 PM (view original):
And yes Tang, you are a socialist. Bernie is a socialist. AOC is a socialist. It's okay. You and them have every right to be one in America. It is a luxury of our freedoms, but you keep claiming that you are not and that is denial.

As much as you claim I am a socialist, I am not. I am a social democrat. I am a capitalist. I don't know why you can't accept this.

If I were a socialist, this conversation would go very differently. I have been called far-right by actual socialists.

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2018 11:44:00 PM (view original):
Tang supports AOC who wants to nationalize industries. He is a socialist. Like her.

So because I support a candidate I support everything that they support?

AOC is farther left than I am.

Good intentions perhaps, but she really is clueless. A pretty face is not a qualification.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2018 11:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/12/2018 11:36:00 PM (view original):
Tang, what you fail to realize is that social welfare does not help families. It creates a temporary band aid, but over generations it does much more harm than good. It creates an unhealthy reliance on government. I have told you the story about the sixth grader that told me "I don't have to do his work because I will always receive a check." This goes back to the dependency that I was referring to. It is a mindset that can last many generations. People in power use social welfare to enslave their populace.

Another good example that I can give you deal's with my aunt. She is in her mid-60's and has lived off of my grandfather her entire life. He has created a monster. She has very little understanding of how to manage money and has never been able to keep a job. She has no desire to keep a job because she knows that daddy will always be there with his check book. Guess what, he just turned 94. At most, and this is being highly optimistic, he has 5-10 years left with us. What is she going to do when he passes. She's already burnt through her inheritance. The problem that my grandfather created is the same problem that our government has created.

I know you find me harsh on this issue, but I am actually not. I believe that the American people are stronger than what many on the left and our government give them credit for. I believe that if we did not have as many social safety nets, people would still find a way to survive and thrive.

I completely agree that the system is abused too much and that it needs reform. I disagree that it needs to be taken away. We just disagree on your last sentence.

So you don't believe that Americans are strong enough to thrive without the help of the government?

I disagree that each American would thrive without the help of the government. It is a flaw of capitalism that can be checked with necessary social programs.

You also fail to acknowledge the impact this would have on generational poverty.