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Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 10:40:00 PM (view original):
I am a Saint Louis resident. Many of you got acquainted with Ferguson. It sits in North County, nw of downtown. Decades ago, it was a solid middle income area. There was a Ford plant, and the Corvette plant was nearby. Those plants closed, many good paying jobs were lost. Decay set in quickly.

Trump understands how crucial manufacturing is to our economy. It is the difference between prosperity and the need for government assistance. We need as many blue collar jobs as possible. Getting and keeping investment here is paramount.

all Trump understands is what is best for him. He does not give a **** about you, me or anyone else but him and his buddies.

I under Your POV and disagree with it 100%.

really? 100% Can you honestly tell me in hos almost 2 years as president you have not seen him do or say anything that was self serving?

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Posted by cccp1014 on 10/23/2018 2:43:00 PM (view original):
If this is true and can be verified I am all for it. Still don’t see how it works using myself as an example.

Think about it this way.

Current system:

Cost to individuals over 10 years: X
Cost to government (tax revenue) over ten years: Y

X + Y = Z


Nationalized:

Cost to individuals: 0
Cost to government: A

A + 0 = A

A < Z

Obviously, taxes go up under the nationalized plan so A is significantly larger than Y, but cumulatively, A is less.

Classic BL. You have no effing clue how much A would be, but you just throw A<Z as if it's a universal truth ("Well, A is first, and Z is last, so therefore nationalized healthcare is cheaper... ")

If I'm a medical provider, I jack the cost of A through the roof so that A >>>> Z, and invalidates your whole argument.

It would be less if you increased the taxes enough that is the flaw in his formula. I am not paying as much in medical insurance but much more in taxes. Since not everyone pays taxes the “poor” once again game the system.

Vote Republican.

Yes, those dastardly poor, always gaming the system and coming out ahead...look at them...thinking they shouldn't have to die if they get cancer. ********. They should see how hard it is to be upper middle class sometime. Do they even understand the pressure of trying to pay for a family vacation to Hawaii or the Bahamas?

Posted by wylie715 on 10/23/2018 3:57:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by wylie715 on 10/23/2018 11:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/22/2018 10:40:00 PM (view original):
I am a Saint Louis resident. Many of you got acquainted with Ferguson. It sits in North County, nw of downtown. Decades ago, it was a solid middle income area. There was a Ford plant, and the Corvette plant was nearby. Those plants closed, many good paying jobs were lost. Decay set in quickly.

Trump understands how crucial manufacturing is to our economy. It is the difference between prosperity and the need for government assistance. We need as many blue collar jobs as possible. Getting and keeping investment here is paramount.

all Trump understands is what is best for him. He does not give a **** about you, me or anyone else but him and his buddies.

I under Your POV and disagree with it 100%.

really? 100% Can you honestly tell me in hos almost 2 years as president you have not seen him do or say anything that was self serving?

Absolutely

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 4:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/23/2018 3:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 10/23/2018 3:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 2:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/23/2018 2:43:00 PM (view original):
If this is true and can be verified I am all for it. Still don’t see how it works using myself as an example.

Think about it this way.

Current system:

Cost to individuals over 10 years: X
Cost to government (tax revenue) over ten years: Y

X + Y = Z


Nationalized:

Cost to individuals: 0
Cost to government: A

A + 0 = A

A < Z

Obviously, taxes go up under the nationalized plan so A is significantly larger than Y, but cumulatively, A is less.

Classic BL. You have no effing clue how much A would be, but you just throw A<Z as if it's a universal truth ("Well, A is first, and Z is last, so therefore nationalized healthcare is cheaper... ")

If I'm a medical provider, I jack the cost of A through the roof so that A >>>> Z, and invalidates your whole argument.

It would be less if you increased the taxes enough that is the flaw in his formula. I am not paying as much in medical insurance but much more in taxes. Since not everyone pays taxes the “poor” once again game the system.

Vote Republican.

Yes, those dastardly poor, always gaming the system and coming out ahead...look at them...thinking they shouldn't have to die if they get cancer. ********. They should see how hard it is to be upper middle class sometime. Do they even understand the pressure of trying to pay for a family vacation to Hawaii or the Bahamas?

Gotcha fishy. Maybe without government assistance they would work their ***** off and garner the insurance necessary for medical treatment. My parents came here with nothing. I grew up on food stamps. I did enough to take my family on these vacations. My wife grew up without a father. One of 3. She was 38 her first time in Disney.

I have zero sympathy for the so called poor. This is a land of opportunity. Get up off your *** and work. Stop relying on the government and dumbasses like bad luck who fell for your fake sob story.

"So called poor."

cccp believes the myth that all people deserve what they get and the only thing separating the poor from the not-poor is hard work.

Ah, NOW I understand. Having "zero sympathy" for the "so-called poor" is the link between Trump and your affinity for him, Boris.
You, like Him, are a callous un-Christian ******* who doesn't give a **** about anyone other than himself. Just like your hero!

I wonder who will help you out when **** goes in the tank for you.
Don't ask for my help.
I'm one of the working poor and I won't help you at all because of your inability to have any sympathy for my plight!

Posted by laramiebob on 10/23/2018 5:23:00 PM (view original):
Ah, NOW I understand. Having "zero sympathy" for the "so-called poor" is the link between Trump and your affinity for him, Boris.
You, like Him, are a callous un-Christian ******* who doesn't give a **** about anyone other than himself. Just like your hero!

I wonder who will help you out when **** goes in the tank for you.
Don't ask for my help.
I'm one of the working poor and I won't help you at all because of your inability to have any sympathy for my plight!

OK I won’t ask. Did you miss the part that I grew up on food stamps?

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
"So called poor."

cccp believes the myth that all people deserve what they get and the only thing separating the poor from the not-poor is hard work.

Not the only thing but certainly one of the things.

You missed the point. There are a lot of very poor people who are incredibly hard working. Probably harder working than you or me. But they’re still poor.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/23/2018 7:31:00 PM (view original):
As to BHO publicly taking credit for the current economic conditions I can only say "you didn't build that"...

Except he did. At least to the extent that any president can take credit for the economy.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/23/2018 8:43:00 PM (view original):
He gets SOME credit, but an avg of less than 2% growth is far less than what we have now. I haven't exactly railed on him regarding this. I know the mess he started with. If the Attention Whore wants to spend his time on the campaign trail tooting his own horn, fine. Dumbest smart guy I've ever seen.

I know policy better than my policy makers...blah, blah, blah. Nauseating political organizer...Eye Why Eye

The ************ should have been a used car salesman in Skokie...

...are...are you talking about Obama???

The former Leader of the Free World, despite no visible leadership qualities. Refused to hear any opposing point of view. Surrounded only by like minded minions. An 8 year world tour, apologizing for America. Yes, Barack Hussein Obama. Good riddance.

Refused to hear any opposing point of view. Surrounded only by like minded minions.

You do get the irony in this, correct?