Posted by cccp1014 on 10/23/2018 11:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/23/2018 10:21:00 PM (view original):
Boris, avoid a career in diplomacy... :)

As Benjamin Franklin said, "It is ok to insult a man privately, they may even thank you for it, but when you do it publicly, they tend to think you mean it."

Of course you’re right but Bl is an *******. He said my dad is an idiot for voting for Trump. Called my mom a ***** because she is my mom and said I beat my kids because I rag on him. You insult my family, you’re an *******.

You are the ultimate snowflake.

You brought your dad into the Trump discussion. Not me.

I said I hope you don’t beat your family because of your temper.

And I called you a son of a *****. Anyone with half a brain knows that it’s a generic insult, I wasn’t actually talking about your mom.

Yes tang, we know that you think everyone who says they need something should have it handed to them by the Government.
To many of us, THAT is extremely naive and scary.
Fortunately, the vast majority of the Country still agrees with us.

Please share you opinion as to what should happen to the Hondurans when they get to our boarder and want to enter illegally. (Handouts for them too?)

Posted by toddcommish on 10/24/2018 12:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
"So called poor."

cccp believes the myth that all people deserve what they get and the only thing separating the poor from the not-poor is hard work.

People don't always get what they deserve. But if you don't work hard, and depend on the government to provide for you, then yes, you shouldn't get anything that I'm paying for.

All welfare and government assistance for able-bodied individuals should only be in payment for public service

Well said. There should be required community service in exchange for government assistance.

can't really argue with that...but the key is able-bodied.

The problem with a politician proposing this on the campaign trail is that it would be political suicide. Why would I want to pick up trash (just using an example) when the current system allows me to receive help without giving anything back in return?

Also, I believe that implementing this would help to limit fraud within the system.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/24/2018 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 10/24/2018 12:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/23/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
"So called poor."

cccp believes the myth that all people deserve what they get and the only thing separating the poor from the not-poor is hard work.

People don't always get what they deserve. But if you don't work hard, and depend on the government to provide for you, then yes, you shouldn't get anything that I'm paying for.

All welfare and government assistance for able-bodied individuals should only be in payment for public service

Well said. There should be required community service in exchange for government assistance.

This is kind of dumb.

Most poor people aren't sitting around doing nothing all day. They're working ****** jobs or taking care of kids. They usually don't have a ton of free time to do community service.

Vocational training, schooling, etc., are great things to have jobless people on assistance complete. You want them to get better at something so that they are able to earn a living. But having them pick up trash on the side of the road is nothing but a time waster.

I am all for substituting vocational training in place of community service, but if you are receiving payment you should be earning it. Getting a free check without giving anything back is not earning anything. Having to take care of kids is not a good reason to get out of work. Everyone that has children has to figure out to care for them while also working. It's part of adulthood.

Posted by all3 on 10/24/2018 9:40:00 AM (view original):
Yes tang, we know that you think everyone who says they need something should have it handed to them by the Government.
To many of us, THAT is extremely naive and scary.
Fortunately, the vast majority of the Country still agrees with us.

Please share you opinion as to what should happen to the Hondurans when they get to our boarder and want to enter illegally. (Handouts for them too?)

Yes, handouts to all. Not an exaggeration in the slightest.

Go on a case by case basis and send people through the asylum system who need it.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/24/2018 12:34:00 PM (view original):
The problem with a politician proposing this on the campaign trail is that it would be political suicide. Why would I want to pick up trash (just using an example) when the current system allows me to receive help without giving anything back in return?

So you are arguing that government essentially open up a ton of community service jobs?

I am fine with that.

For those without a job, of course.

Posted by strikeout26 on 10/24/2018 1:04:00 PM (view original):
I am all for substituting vocational training in place of community service, but if you are receiving payment you should be earning it. Getting a free check without giving anything back is not earning anything. Having to take care of kids is not a good reason to get out of work. Everyone that has children has to figure out to care for them while also working. It's part of adulthood.

You're just ignoring the fact that a lot of people on assistance are working. And they're poor. What exactly do they have to give?

And, if we're talking about a poor person staying home to take care of kids, have you paid for daycare before? It's between $600 and $1200 a month per kid. It's likely that someone on assistance is getting about the same amount. They can't pay for daycare.

This attitude of resentment towards poor people is weird. Like they're getting one over on the rest of us. Would you trade places with them? I wouldn't. Their lives generally suck.

Trash collecting should be reserved for "able-bodied" minor criminals who reside in our County detention centers all around the Country.

Collectors of assistance SHOULD be better/adequately screened. NO ONE should be allowed to "game" the system and collect benefits without serious and verified NEED! At that point, able-bodied employable adults in the household should be REQUIRED to present a "family improvement" strategy to some "case worker" that includes PROOF of a legitimate job search effort AND when appropriate encouraged/required to enter some sort of vocational training or apprenticeship program. Failure to complete said program or present a provable "plan" attempting to improve their economic position should result in IMMEDIATE removal from ANY assistance.

Gamers of the system (just like stupid irresponsible citizens) ruin it for everyone TRULY in need. (or for the harmony of the saner folks!)
They also result in attitudes like Boris's (and MANY others) towards the poor.

There ARE lazy ******** that don't deserve our help.
Tangy needs to accept that.
There ARE truly needy that deserve our assistance.
Boris needs to accept that!

Rich folks who cheat on their taxes (IF caught and convicted) NEED to do serious jail time, not just suffer some economic slap on the hand.
A few rich ******** convicted and jailed would result in far more tax revenue and a better foundation for our society to take care of our real needy!
And fix our infrastructure, support our schools, etc!

It's not Rocket Science!

I was at a client meeting today. In one of their plants, laborers work just enough and then resign. If they earn too much they lose their Govt perks. Ownership wants to retain them but it’s not beneficial for the employees? System is broken.

bad luck is a fat loser.

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/24/2018 1:24:00 PM (view original):
I was at a client meeting today. In one of their plants, laborers work just enough and then resign. If they earn too much they lose their Govt perks. Ownership wants to retain them but it’s not beneficial for the employees? System is broken.

bad luck is a fat loser.

If ownership really wanted to retain them, they'd pay them more. But it's not worth it to ownership to pay them more, so they deal with the turnover.


I'm surprised it wasn't two plant-owning friends instead of just one client.