Posted by cccp1014 on 11/2/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/2/2018 2:34:00 PM (view original):
Again, equating Obama to Duke is bad. It's a horrible take and not grounded in reality. Obama was not the president of Israel, he owed allegiance to the US. The fact that he didn't bend over backwards for Israel doesn't mean he dislikes Jews.

But why did he bend over backwards for Iran with that terrible nuclear deal? Why did he alienate our only true democratic ally in the ME? Why is he associating with Louis Farrakhan? They are very friendly. We agree that Farrakhan wants all Jews dead.

https://www.myajc.com/news/local/could-this-long-lost-photo-have-derailed-obama-2008-campaign/jC8NKhQr6a72VjRYY9o0EM/

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/the-obama-administration-secretly-sought-to-give-iran-access-to-the-us-financial-system.html

Iran is Israel's #1 enemy.

I'm not going to litigate the Iran deal. I will say that it was supported by essentially all of our allies: Canada, UK, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Australia, basically the rest of Europe, even China and Russia.

If you want to criticize the deal, fine, but the existence of the deal doesn't say anything about how Obama view Jews.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/2/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/2/2018 2:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/2/2018 2:34:00 PM (view original):
Again, equating Obama to Duke is bad. It's a horrible take and not grounded in reality. Obama was not the president of Israel, he owed allegiance to the US. The fact that he didn't bend over backwards for Israel doesn't mean he dislikes Jews.

But why did he bend over backwards for Iran with that terrible nuclear deal? Why did he alienate our only true democratic ally in the ME? Why is he associating with Louis Farrakhan? They are very friendly. We agree that Farrakhan wants all Jews dead.

https://www.myajc.com/news/local/could-this-long-lost-photo-have-derailed-obama-2008-campaign/jC8NKhQr6a72VjRYY9o0EM/

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/the-obama-administration-secretly-sought-to-give-iran-access-to-the-us-financial-system.html

Iran is Israel's #1 enemy.

I'm not going to litigate the Iran deal. I will say that it was supported by essentially all of our allies: Canada, UK, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Australia, basically the rest of Europe, even China and Russia.

If you want to criticize the deal, fine, but the existence of the deal doesn't say anything about how Obama view Jews.

Well then. Let me ask this. If you just happen to be pregnant AND have your baby in Canada, UK, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Australia....

IS YOUR BABY AUTOMATICALLY A CITIZEN?

I'll save you a lot of work. Just name the countries that have our law that says if you're born here you're automatically a citizen.

Go ahead. We're waiting.

Jus soli around the world
Jus soli is observed by a minority of the world's countries. Of advanced economies (as defined by the International Monetary Fund), Canada and the United States are the only countries that observe birthright citizenship.[6][7][8][9] As is shown clearly on the map, the jus soli is mainly in use in “the new world” — the Americas. Since 2004, no European country grants unconditional birthright citizenship.[10][11]
In an August 2010 report, the Center for Immigration Studies, through direct communication with foreign government officials and analysis of relevant foreign law including statutory and constitutional law, was able to confirm that 30 of the world's 194 countries grant automatic birthright citizenship (although they were not able to obtain definitive information from 19 countries).[8]
Jus soli around the world
States that observe jus soli include:

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  Antigua and Barbuda[9]
• Argentina[9]
• Barbados[9]
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  Belize[9]
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  Bolivia[9]
• Brazil[9]
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  Cambodia[12]
• Canada[9][13]
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  Chile[14] (children of transient foreigners or of foreign diplomats on assignment in Chile only upon request)
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  Costa Rica[9][15] (Children born to non-Costa Rican citizens obtain citizenship if registered as a Costa Rican by the will of either parent during minority or by his own will up to the age of twenty-five)
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  Dominica[9]
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  Ecuador[9]
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  El Salvador[9]
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  Fiji[16]
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  Grenada[9]
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  Guatemala[9]
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  Guyana[9]
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  Honduras[9]
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  Jamaica[9]
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  Lesotho[17]
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  Malaysia[9]
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  Mexico[9]
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  Nicaragua[9]
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  Pakistan[9][18]
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  Panama[9]
• Paraguay[9]
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  Peru[9]
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  Saint Kitts and Nevis[9]
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  Saint Lucia[9]
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  Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[9]
• Trinidad and Tobago[9]
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  Tuvalu[19]
• United States[9][20]
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  Uruguay[9]

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  Venezuela[9]

Modification of jus soli
In a number of countries, to discourage illegal immigration, automatic citizenship by jus soli has been withdrawn or restricted by imposing additional requirements, such as requiring that at least one parents be a legal permanent resident or that a parent has resided in the country for a specific period of time.[8] Modification of jus soli has been criticized as contributing to economic inequality, the perpetuation of unfree labour from a helot underclass,[5] and statelessness. Jus soli has been restricted in the following countries:[21]

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  Australia:[5] Since 20 August 1986, a person born in Australia acquires Australian citizenship by birth only if at least one parent was an Australian citizen or permanent resident or upon the 10th birthday of the child regardless of their parent's citizenship status (see Australian nationality law).
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  Dominican Republic: The constitution was amended on 26 January 2010 to exclude most Dominicans of Haitian origin from citizenship, even those previously recognized by the Dominican state. The new constitution broadened the definition of the 2004 migration law to exclude individuals that were "in transit" to include "non-residents" (including individuals with expired residency visas and undocumented workers).[22][23][24]
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  France: Children born in France (including overseas territories) to at least one parent who is also born in France automatically acquire French citizenship at birth. Children born to foreign parents may request citizenship depending on their age and length of residence (see French nationality law).
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  Germany: An exception to the increasing restrictiveness toward birthright citizenship, Germany, prior to 2000, had its nationality law based entirely on jus sanguinis. Now, children born on or after 1 January 2000 to non-German parents acquire German citizenship at birth if at least one parent has a permanent residence permit (and had this status for at least three years) and the parent was residing in Germany for at least eight years. Under the current law, which restricts dual citizenship, children of non-EU and non-Swiss citizens must usually choose between German and foreign citizenship when they are 23 years old ("Optionspflicht" = the duty to choose one citizenship). Failing to make a choice can result in the loss of the German citizenship. There are exceptions made for citizens of countries that do not allow their citizens to renounce their citizenship (e.g. Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Costa Rica; The following jus-soli countries allow renunciation only if the citizenship was acquired involuntarily by birth there to non-citizen parents: Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Uruguay), or if the renunciation process is too difficult/humiliating/expensive (e.g. Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Cuba, Eritrea, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco, Nigeria, Syria, Thailand, Tunesia) or, rarely, in individual cases, if it means enormous disadvantages for the concerned person. Children of German citizens who acquire a second citizenship by birth in a jus-soli country that allows dual citizenship, such as the United States of America or Canada, can usually keep both citizenships for a lifetime. The same goes for children from binational marriages (one German parent and one foreign parent). Otherwise, Germans wanting to become citizens of a non-EU country (except Switzerland) must first apply for a permit to maintain their German citizenship ("Beibehaltungsgenehmigung"), or they will lose their German citizenship automatically when acquiring the foreign one.
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  Iran: Article 976(4) of the Civil Code of Iran grants citizenship at birth to persons born in Iran of foreign parents if one or both of the parents were themselves born in Iran. See Iranian nationality law.[25]
• Ireland: On 1 January 2005, the law was amended to require that at least one of the parents be an Irish citizen; a British citizen; a child of a resident with a permanent right to reside in Ireland; or be a child of a legal resident residing three of the last four years in the country (excluding students and asylum seekers) (see Irish nationality law).[5]
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  New Zealand:[5] Since 1 January 2006 a person born in New Zealand acquires New Zealand citizenship by birth only if at least one parent was a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident (see New Zealand nationality law).[26]
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  South Africa:[5] Since 6 October 1995 a person born in South Africa to South African citizens or permanent residents are automatically granted South African citizenship (see South African nationality law).

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  Thailand: Thailand operated a system of pure jus soli prior to 1972, but afterwards, due to illegal immigration from Burma, the Nationality Act was amended to require that both parents be legally resident and domiciled in Thailand for at least five years in order for their child to be granted Thai citizenship at birth.[27][28] Furthermore, someone who has Thai citizenship by sole virtue of jus soli may be stripped of Thai citizenship under various conditions (such as living abroad) which do not apply to people who have Thai citizenship by virtue of jus sanguinis.[29]
• United Kingdom: Since 1 January 1983, at least one parent must be a British citizen or be legally "settled" in the country (see British nationality law)).

• Barbados: The Barbados Ministry of Labour & Immigration recently proposed ending automatic birthright citizenship, noting in a recent report: "It is the Department's view that the legislation should be amended to stipulate that (as in the United Kingdom and the Bahamas) children born in Barbados will not be deemed to be citizens of Barbados, unless at least one parent at the time of the birth, has permanent status in Barbados. In addition persons born in Barbados should not be deemed to be citizens where the parents are residing illegally in Barbados."[30]

• Antigua and Barbuda: Similarly, an official from Antigua and Barbuda told the Center for Immigration Studies that the country's current effort to tighten immigration policies may include an end to automatic birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants.[31]

Posted by cccp1014 on 11/2/2018 2:27:00 PM (view original):
I don't think Obama wants all Jews eradicated like David Duke but he certainly doesn't like Israel and its Zionist leadership and did all he could to thwart it. They both dislike Jews but differently. I am 100% standing by my statement. Again there are books written about Obama and his antisemitism.

I am intersted in healing the divide, are you? How about you and I try to be civil to one another for an hour even. Think its possible?

I'll start first.

My bad for not clarifying my position.

there have been many books written about the trump White House (https://www.businessinsider.com/books-about-trump-white-house-2018-9), most of them not very flattering. Does that make them all true?

Only if an abstract of those books are posted on Wikipedia are they true. We know Wikipedia is true because anyone can post there.

Posted by tangplay on 11/2/2018 4:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 11/2/2018 3:16:00 PM (view original):
How?

. I would get rid of tenure for all educators. I would get rid of the teachers union. I would allow the schools to hire the best teachers under the budget provided. No school on the planet would have 6 vice-principals. Counties and states would determine the text books used. I would bring prayer back. I'd make it easy to fire about half the educators currently employed. Employment based on results.

Hire and fire teachers at will. Government controls the message. No Unions so anyone who steps out of line is mistreated.

I would demand caps for lawsuits, lobby efforts, everything attached to $$$$.

No protesting.

I would bring back the death penalty for white collar crime.

More capital punishment.

And I would clean up the media.

State-controlled media message.

Seems like an authoritarian regime to me.

Of course you lied about everything I said...but then...you're not even a Mennonite.

I forgive you.

Of course you lied about everything I said...but then...you're not even a Mennonite.
I forgive you.

As we forgive your parents...

I'm fired. They have to fire me. I know it. I'm not gonna drop this mike though..........

You're gonna have to rip it out of my hand.

Posted by DougOut on 11/2/2018 8:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/2/2018 4:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 11/2/2018 3:16:00 PM (view original):
How?

. I would get rid of tenure for all educators. I would get rid of the teachers union. I would allow the schools to hire the best teachers under the budget provided. No school on the planet would have 6 vice-principals. Counties and states would determine the text books used. I would bring prayer back. I'd make it easy to fire about half the educators currently employed. Employment based on results.

Hire and fire teachers at will. Government controls the message. No Unions so anyone who steps out of line is mistreated.

I would demand caps for lawsuits, lobby efforts, everything attached to $$$$.

No protesting.

I would bring back the death penalty for white collar crime.

More capital punishment.

And I would clean up the media.

State-controlled media message.

Seems like an authoritarian regime to me.

Of course you lied about everything I said...but then...you're not even a Mennonite.

I forgive you.

Please explain where my interpretation is incorrect.

Notre Dame

ol lady full o high tail

Posted by rsp777 on 11/2/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/2/2018 3:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rsp777 on 11/2/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 11/2/2018 11:05:00 AM (view original):
rsp, am I reading / interpreting something wrong, or are you seriously trying to argue that the thousands of black-on-black murders in this Country are less a concern than the hundreds (if that) killed during domestic terrorism? Isn't that counter to claiming that Black (or All) Lives Matter equally? Shouldn't the concern be on the problem that's killing more people?

They are both an obvious concern. I guess I’m pointing out that poor urban people killing each other and white guys shooting up schools and places of worship are both indicative of the larger problem. I’m not going to discount the one with a smaller number because that number would get eqalized pfq if one white guy blows up a stadium.

So, only a white guy could possibly blow-up a stadium? Isn't that a racist comment?

We were talking about specifics. Anybody can blow up a stadium if they have their **** together well enough, sure. That wasn't the point though. Are you really trying to paint me as a racist? Because that's incredibly wrong. Doesn't it sound dumb to say something like "So only black guys can kill people in Chicago?" If you want to have an intelligent conversation as you've professed than tell me how Don Lemon is racist towards Kanyizzpipe? They're both black. Is Lemon a closet white guy of some sorts? I want to get your point but I don't think I know what it is...

Well, first of all my first point would have to be that I wish you would stop trying to put words in other people's mouths, especially mine. I've never posted one single word about Don Lemon, am not that familiar with him, and certainly are not getting involved in any kind of argument about him. Second point is that it seemed to me, and still does, that you think white domestic terrorism is a larger problem than inter-city violence. Given the number of lives each historically takes, I think that's ridiculous. Third point is that such a belief truly seems counter to the entire BLM movement. Do you not see that? Isn't that placing saving white lives over saving black lives? Isn't that racist? Pretty sure you, and others here, would be screaming "RACIST" if I or some others posted a belief that you thought was more geared to save those same white lives at the expense of those same black lives. Do I believe it's a racist comment? No. Do I believe it's incredibly hypocritical? Absolutely. Hope those points are clear now.

Good post A3. The answer is no. Most of the people you "debate" with are on a high school level of win lose or team spirit. They have no clue. They've never been educated. They were squeezed out of the worlds most powerful propaganda machine ever created. NO NATION on earth has ever had the hammer of lies and destruction the new socialist democrats have. No communist or totalitarian regime before Rome and after Hitler has been able to wield the power of propaganda and lies these bored Godless suicidal maniacs now bring to destroy the most fair and protective society ever created. Their Hitlerist control of the courts and universities down to day care centers is unprecedented. The only question is why we are still here. And the answer is you. We the people. No matter how stupid they think we are, we have been able to hold their new slavery of civilization off.

So the answer is no. And here to clarify is the spokes ***** of the new anti-American socialist democrat new slaves party.

Man, Dems have so much power.

That's a lie. They have the media. They have courts and schools and beuracratic power embedded in an establishment hardened to the people existing on the inertia of short term survival oblivious to any historical base from which they came. A MOB bent on self-satisfaction not knowing GOD. LIARS and PRETENDERS herding the sheep into the slaughter pen.

No matter. GOD will sort them out. I forgive you.

And the Presidency, and the House, and the Senate, and the Supreme Court.... Wait....