Posted by thewizard17 on 11/15/2018 7:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 5:49:00 PM (view original):
I think it’s good somethings are random. If nothing was random, and everything was projected, it’d be an easy game to master because there’d be 1 good strategy.

Except, between the random number generator on each play that decides outcomes and early entries, do we really need that much randomness in recruiting?

I think recruiting should be the most random part. EE’s are also random because regardless if someone is a top recruit, he may want to bring a championship to his school. I think the gameplay is good too because it’s realistic. People have good and bad games. And lastly, recruiting should be very random because it is in real life.

I guess I'll give an example.

I'm recruiting you and you're a top 10 player in the country.

I'm coaching at Duke A prestige. I offer you start and 20 minutes.

Team B is also recruiting you. Same start and 20 minutes They are a mid major school with a B prestige and have gotten to the 2nd round of the NT, but not a lot of tv exposure.

Let's say all the other preferences are even. When all is said and done, Duke has a 74% chance of signing you.

And then let's say, you're goal is to make the NBA. Which school would you choose? If you choose Team B, let's call Davidson, what reason would you want to go there?

And then after you give your answer, I'll respond.

You go to Davidson because they gave you more attention and told you your the next Stephen Curry, whereas at Duke you’ll be just another great Duke player. You will be Davidson, you’ll be their most famous athlete besides Curry, while no one will remember you at Duke. You’ll be drafted higher because of the stats you put down, and there’s a better chance you’ll turn into a bench, non-factor at Duke. You like Davidson’s coach better than Coach K. Your parents went to Davidson. You like closer to Davidson, you always dreamed of going there.

Those are all different examples of why someone would choose Davidson. Keep in mind Duke has 3x as likely chance to land the player than Davidson, it’s not a coin flip.

Right. “Random” means done without method or conscious decision. The only thing “random” is the generation of a number. But that generation by itself is meaningless. The outcome is what is important, and the outcome isn’t random, because the generated number *has* a meaning, a context determined by all the decisions made by coaches involved. You don’t control the outcome. But you do influence it. So do others. This is true of every aspect of the game.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 7:42:00 PM (view original):
You go to Davidson because they gave you more attention and told you your the next Stephen Curry, whereas at Duke you’ll be just another great Duke player. You will be Davidson, you’ll be their most famous athlete besides Curry, while no one will remember you at Duke. You’ll be drafted higher because of the stats you put down, and there’s a better chance you’ll turn into a bench, non-factor at Duke. You like Davidson’s coach better than Coach K. Your parents went to Davidson. You like closer to Davidson, you always dreamed of going there.

Those are all different examples of why someone would choose Davidson. Keep in mind Duke has 3x as likely chance to land the player than Davidson, it’s not a coin flip.

But I mean APs are built into the equation already that got Duke to 74%.

I guess my point is, a lot of the things you've mentioned should be put into the game as a recruiting preference/tool, although all of the main factors, in which a recruit would come to your school are already in place. Let's say you want to go do Davidson and have a best friend there you want to school with, that still doesn't represent the 26% chance of signing that place, not even close. But let's say, for argument sake, it does. In that case, that's probably something that should be added into the game.

Other problem is with the 20 HV/1 CV limit, although I do think there should be a limit, it balances things out to the point where the lower prestige school, such as Davidson in the example, can get to high at 26%, get lucky and end up signing that player.

Posted by shoe3 on 11/15/2018 7:58:00 PM (view original):
Right. “Random” means done without method or conscious decision. The only thing “random” is the generation of a number. But that generation by itself is meaningless. The outcome is what is important, and the outcome isn’t random, because the generated number *has* a meaning, a context determined by all the decisions made by coaches involved. You don’t control the outcome. But you do influence it. So do others. This is true of every aspect of the game.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but yes of course I was implying the random outcome of the number, but that's for another discussion.

My point is, that 26% of him signing with one team is about his best friend going to the same school, girlfriend, like the campus better etc.Throw those things into the game, so it becomes less random with the outcome.

It also could use some more in game settings, so it's more about coaching and strategy. It's not by accident this many users have dropped off, some of them leaving because the game is too random.

If the better team always got the player, there’d be no strategy or competition.

See what i mean now Zags? Now use "poach" in a sentence related to HD, and watch what happens! I love it!

To the discussion at hand, it's hard to disagree with any of it. I understand all these perspectives even if I don't agree with some. The problem is, nothing will change because Seble doesn't care to address any of these things. And even if he did, he can't cater to the thousands of different ideas we all would want implement into the game, as individuals. So we'll never be happy as a group. But guess what people? We still have one helluva game!

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 8:40:00 PM (view original):
If the better team always got the player, there’d be no strategy or competition.

I'm not saying the better team should always get the player.

I'm saying the team with the most recruiting effort, in addition to their current prestige, assuming we're talking D-1. That's where the strategy comes into play.

I guess we'll agree to disagree then..lol

I’m a D3 player, and that’s the only place I’ve played, so I’m speaking from that perspective.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 7:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/15/2018 7:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 5:49:00 PM (view original):
I think it’s good somethings are random. If nothing was random, and everything was projected, it’d be an easy game to master because there’d be 1 good strategy.

Except, between the random number generator on each play that decides outcomes and early entries, do we really need that much randomness in recruiting?

I think recruiting should be the most random part. EE’s are also random because regardless if someone is a top recruit, he may want to bring a championship to his school. I think the gameplay is good too because it’s realistic. People have good and bad games. And lastly, recruiting should be very random because it is in real life.

WHAT?? Recruiting is very random in real life? On which planet?

Regardless if someone is a top recruit, they may want to bring a championship to his school?? Dude, do you pay ANY attention to college basketball. At all? When's the last time you've seen a projected top 5 pick NOT leave for the NBA?

..slow clap beginning. Impressive stuff man.

He kinda laid out his rationale for why it's random. If you insert 'there are many factors" in for the word "random' maybe you'd agree with the statement. But mike, you need to calm down, other people are allowed to disagree with your statements. You don't need to be a dick to someone who isn't being a dick. Especially new players who we all want.

Posted by Benis on 11/16/2018 8:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 7:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/15/2018 7:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 5:49:00 PM (view original):
I think it’s good somethings are random. If nothing was random, and everything was projected, it’d be an easy game to master because there’d be 1 good strategy.

Except, between the random number generator on each play that decides outcomes and early entries, do we really need that much randomness in recruiting?

I think recruiting should be the most random part. EE’s are also random because regardless if someone is a top recruit, he may want to bring a championship to his school. I think the gameplay is good too because it’s realistic. People have good and bad games. And lastly, recruiting should be very random because it is in real life.

WHAT?? Recruiting is very random in real life? On which planet?

Regardless if someone is a top recruit, they may want to bring a championship to his school?? Dude, do you pay ANY attention to college basketball. At all? When's the last time you've seen a projected top 5 pick NOT leave for the NBA?

..slow clap beginning. Impressive stuff man.

Miles Bridges was projected top 10.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/16/2018 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 11/16/2018 8:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 7:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/15/2018 7:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/15/2018 5:49:00 PM (view original):
I think it’s good somethings are random. If nothing was random, and everything was projected, it’d be an easy game to master because there’d be 1 good strategy.

Except, between the random number generator on each play that decides outcomes and early entries, do we really need that much randomness in recruiting?

I think recruiting should be the most random part. EE’s are also random because regardless if someone is a top recruit, he may want to bring a championship to his school. I think the gameplay is good too because it’s realistic. People have good and bad games. And lastly, recruiting should be very random because it is in real life.

WHAT?? Recruiting is very random in real life? On which planet?

Regardless if someone is a top recruit, they may want to bring a championship to his school?? Dude, do you pay ANY attention to college basketball. At all? When's the last time you've seen a projected top 5 pick NOT leave for the NBA?

..slow clap beginning. Impressive stuff man.

Miles Bridges was projected top 10.

He was projected top 15 but close enough I guess. But he's literally the only potential lottery pick I could think of since the one and done rule started.

In HD I've seen the #1 overall pick stay. Not happening in real life and it certainly isn't random.