How high should someone's PE be for me to move their 3PT frequency from +1 to +2?

That depends on a lot of other factors. But at d3 once you hit 80 perimeter and have a high (70+) speed guys become very good 3 point shooters and are hard to defend against.

Is that when you’d put someone at +2. What if they have decent LP too?

I think it depends on your other players as well. If he is your only 3-pt threat, then you may want to go +2 in order to give some balance to your offense.

Jones is shooting over 50% from 3pt range. I’d have him +2 no question.

It also helps that you bring him off the bench. Second tier defenders ain’t stopping that.

When you go to +2, you pretty much only take 3 point shots. There's a couple factors that go into it but you can have guys with 90% of their shots be 3FGA. If that's what you want or need, than make that your setting. I have had guys at D3 with PER scores in the low 70's at +2 because I didn't want teams playing serious - defenses against my post scorers.

Piggy backing on what Craigalonw said, take a look at his stats at +1, and see if you want him shooting more or less 3's. You also might adjust it against who you are playing. If you are playing a fast but low ath guard team and your player has a decent lp score you may want to move it down.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/18/2018 12:02:00 PM (view original):
Is that when you’d put someone at +2. What if they have decent LP too?

There are a lot of things to factor in, it usually depends:

division
defensive strength of team,
type of defense
take into consideration the PE/LP ratio.
do they have other skills that might help their perimeter or low post play?
style of play, are you a team that likes to get to the line? That might lower 3 point totals.
if you go more of a LP game, do you have the athleticism to get to the line if they don't make the shot?


So there is a lot to consider

I almost never go +2. Generally when I make an exception to that it's for SF types who have like 55 LP and 90 PER with good speed but mediocre athleticism. Shot selection seems to be based heavily on LP and Per, without so much consideration for the fact that other factors go into effective scoring. When you have mitigating circumstances - in this case, LP and Per paint a picture of a guy who is a very good outside scorer, but an "ok" interior scorer, but in reality the ATH dictates that he is not up to the "ok" level inside - you may need to override this default more.

But yeah, under ordinary circumstances going outside the -1 to +1 range doesn't seem to be overly favorable. Natural shot selection tendencies programmed into the game tend to be close enough to ideal that -1/+1 correction gets guys where I want them to be. I guess it's somewhat analagous to rarely venturing outside the -3 - +3 range on team defensive positioning, but still being willing to do so in extreme circumstances. I just need a really good reason.

Posted by dahsdebater on 11/19/2018 3:15:00 PM (view original):
I almost never go +2. Generally when I make an exception to that it's for SF types who have like 55 LP and 90 PER with good speed but mediocre athleticism. Shot selection seems to be based heavily on LP and Per, without so much consideration for the fact that other factors go into effective scoring. When you have mitigating circumstances - in this case, LP and Per paint a picture of a guy who is a very good outside scorer, but an "ok" interior scorer, but in reality the ATH dictates that he is not up to the "ok" level inside - you may need to override this default more.

But yeah, under ordinary circumstances going outside the -1 to +1 range doesn't seem to be overly favorable. Natural shot selection tendencies programmed into the game tend to be close enough to ideal that -1/+1 correction gets guys where I want them to be. I guess it's somewhat analagous to rarely venturing outside the -3 - +3 range on team defensive positioning, but still being willing to do so in extreme circumstances. I just need a really good reason.

I agree with most of this. It's extremely rare that I do +2 for any player. The only player I can think of that I put at +2 is a guard that I took a chance on that had pretty low ATH/SPD. And like a green 10 DEF and 100 PER rating. The DEF changed color immediately and he became completely useless. A 12th man that only gets table scrap minutes.

So I figured if he's gonna play, let him fire up 3s in garbage time. Other than that, i don't think players should get +2 just because their PER is 100. Players that have that, and also have high ATH, SPD, LP and/or BH can do a lot more than just chuck up 3s, from a gameplan perspective. As wiz said, many factors go into it. Not just... "100 PER? I'll give him a +2"

Also, would someone give me a chill pill please? Someone called Benis "MikeT" the other day. I'M the MikeT right now! I've posted in like the last 15 threads! Boring weekend at home apparently. I'll post when I decide which new world I decide to join, but after that, I'm gonna climb back under my rock and STFU for a while. I'm getting tired of reading my own ****. I feel for the rest of you!

I use +2 pretty frequently. Just saying

Posted by thewizard17 on 11/19/2018 9:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 11/18/2018 12:02:00 PM (view original):
Is that when you’d put someone at +2. What if they have decent LP too?

There are a lot of things to factor in, it usually depends:

division
defensive strength of team,
type of defense
take into consideration the PE/LP ratio.
do they have other skills that might help their perimeter or low post play?
style of play, are you a team that likes to get to the line? That might lower 3 point totals.
if you go more of a LP game, do you have the athleticism to get to the line if they don't make the shot?


So there is a lot to consider

Great list here, to which I will also add the FT rating of the person. Since +2 sees a marked decrease in the number of trips a player makes to the foul line for most folks, I'm less likely to go there if a kid is an A/B FT shooter and more inclined to go there if he's in the D+ range or such.