I'm only here because of the chat. :)

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2018 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Zone is actually very simple. It's not that different that the other defenses. Block is a little more important and Ath/Def is a little less.

I disagree big time. I created a thread awhile ago about difficulties I had with zone. No one could give me a straight answer that others agreed with. Ill post the link when I find it.

Zags, that thread wasn’t about difficulties with zone, that thread was debating how important BLK is. I have people that have won NC in zone helping me navigate.

Also, that thread is as straight of an answer you’ll get in any thread. You don’t see a lot of agreements in the forums.

During that time I was attempting to dive deeper into understanding the formulas behind zone. So although the title wasn’t called “difficulties in zone”, I was stumped on the importance of core attributes while using zone. Which was a difficulty for me. Obviously not for you Sportsbull because you’re the HD prodigy. I’ll call on you for some zone tips if I ever need any.

And we wonder why we can't keep new users around?

Give the man a break. He's doing the right things by reaching out to successful coaches (including me), successful ZONE coaches (NOT including me! Ha). And he's off to a good start.

He also made a FF quicker than Mike. Not that it means much, good or bad. But he's off to a good start. Reach out to help guys like this. Guys that show interest. And put forth effort. These are the coaches we want to keep around in this game. Don't push them away.

Incorrect, Mike made a FF in his 2nd season

If this is true, then this makes your argument even worse honestly. I didn't think I had to bother to look. But if it was his second season, he didn't have any of his own players, except for his freshmen.

And this is no dig against Mike. I don't dislike Mike. His legend lives on obviously ha! But I rest my case in general. I don't wanna throw mud. Hell, I woke up to an unexpected upset with my zone team in the CT. Errrrrr. I got bigger issues to worry about

All I want for Christmas is for MikeT to come back to us..

Posted by zagsrulez on 12/23/2018 10:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2018 9:40:00 PM (view original):
There's great advice in that thread. Block Mike and it's easy to digest.

People disagree how valuable block is, but the consensus is that block is more important in zone (particularly the 2-3 C) than in other sets.

Although Mike was annoying, he was able to make it to a F4 after winning in the Little E super conference using a 3-2 zone. His advice was useful after cutting through all the bullsh*t he typically spewed. Anyways this is digressing off of the main topic of offense, but leaving zone behind was the best choice I ever made HD wise.

"Super conference" is a big stretch.

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2018 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Zone is actually very simple. It's not that different that the other defenses. Block is a little more important and Ath/Def is a little less.

I disagree big time. I created a thread awhile ago about difficulties I had with zone. No one could give me a straight answer that others agreed with. Ill post the link when I find it.

Zags, that thread wasn’t about difficulties with zone, that thread was debating how important BLK is. I have people that have won NC in zone helping me navigate.

Also, that thread is as straight of an answer you’ll get in any thread. You don’t see a lot of agreements in the forums.

During that time I was attempting to dive deeper into understanding the formulas behind zone. So although the title wasn’t called “difficulties in zone”, I was stumped on the importance of core attributes while using zone. Which was a difficulty for me. Obviously not for you Sportsbull because you’re the HD prodigy. I’ll call on you for some zone tips if I ever need any.

And we wonder why we can't keep new users around?

Give the man a break. He's doing the right things by reaching out to successful coaches (including me), successful ZONE coaches (NOT including me! Ha). And he's off to a good start.

He also made a FF quicker than Mike. Not that it means much, good or bad. But he's off to a good start. Reach out to help guys like this. Guys that show interest. And put forth effort. These are the coaches we want to keep around in this game. Don't push them away.

Incorrect, Mike made a FF in his 2nd season

If this is true, then this makes your argument even worse honestly. I didn't think I had to bother to look. But if it was his second season, he didn't have any of his own players, except for his freshmen.

And this is no dig against Mike. I don't dislike Mike. His legend lives on obviously ha! But I rest my case in general. I don't wanna throw mud. Hell, I woke up to an unexpected upset with my zone team in the CT. Errrrrr. I got bigger issues to worry about

How does that make my argument worse? He had multiple FF appearances. The one that I’m mentioning occurred a few seasons before he left. His first FF was in his first year or so of playing. I was saying that I valued his knowledge on zone and we were competitors in the Little E when he made that run.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 12/24/2018 12:43:00 AM (view original):
Zags, you’re clearly missing the point with that response and further just being a jerk to me. I was nothing but respectful to you. Instead of having a normal debate, you sarcastically made fun of me.

I don’t mean to toot my own horn, but at this point I feel like I have too. Unlike MikeT, I made the FF before my first recruiting class graduated and with all of my players, not the previous owners. I assume I made my first FF before you and will assume you I will win my first NC in less seasons than you did. I have reached out and been reached out to some of the best owners in the history of HD, and I have dedicated a ton of time to this. These are the types of owners you want, active ones that love the game. By making remarks like these, a lot of owners feel unwanted, unsuccessful, or just flat out quit.

I’ve said a lot of incorrect things to mentors I’ve talked to and they kindly correct me and I’ve learned everything I know from them.

It’s ok to tell a new player they’re dead wrong, just don’t be a jerk about it. Disregarding the entire comment to say my achievement is bad is just you not listening to topdog and doing the same actions that can get new owners to quit.

Sportsbull aka best HDer in history. I’ll make sure to pay tribute to you from now on. Sorry for not acknowledging your amazing track record.

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2018 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Zone is actually very simple. It's not that different that the other defenses. Block is a little more important and Ath/Def is a little less.

I disagree big time. I created a thread awhile ago about difficulties I had with zone. No one could give me a straight answer that others agreed with. Ill post the link when I find it.

Zags, that thread wasn’t about difficulties with zone, that thread was debating how important BLK is. I have people that have won NC in zone helping me navigate.

Also, that thread is as straight of an answer you’ll get in any thread. You don’t see a lot of agreements in the forums.

During that time I was attempting to dive deeper into understanding the formulas behind zone. So although the title wasn’t called “difficulties in zone”, I was stumped on the importance of core attributes while using zone. Which was a difficulty for me. Obviously not for you Sportsbull because you’re the HD prodigy. I’ll call on you for some zone tips if I ever need any.

And we wonder why we can't keep new users around?

Give the man a break. He's doing the right things by reaching out to successful coaches (including me), successful ZONE coaches (NOT including me! Ha). And he's off to a good start.

He also made a FF quicker than Mike. Not that it means much, good or bad. But he's off to a good start. Reach out to help guys like this. Guys that show interest. And put forth effort. These are the coaches we want to keep around in this game. Don't push them away.

Incorrect, Mike made a FF in his 2nd season

If this is true, then this makes your argument even worse honestly. I didn't think I had to bother to look. But if it was his second season, he didn't have any of his own players, except for his freshmen.

And this is no dig against Mike. I don't dislike Mike. His legend lives on obviously ha! But I rest my case in general. I don't wanna throw mud. Hell, I woke up to an unexpected upset with my zone team in the CT. Errrrrr. I got bigger issues to worry about

How does that make my argument worse? He had multiple FF appearances. The one that I’m mentioning occurred a few seasons before he left. His first FF was in his first year or so of playing. I was saying that I valued his knowledge on zone and we were competitors in the Little E when he made that run.

If mike had more than one final four, then i'm mistaken. But did he? I don't know. What were the seasons? I'm not gonna bash mike while he's not here. But if his only final four was in his second season, that's not an outstanding feat. That was the players of the previous coach.

my only real gripe with this discussion is that you're talking to a new coach in a manner as if he can't make mistakes, and learn things along the way. Your picking on the new kid at school. Your saying to the new guy on the job that he'll never make it, and its only his first day.

Switching away from zone might be the best decision you've made in HD. Cool..... but tell that to the guys that have multiple titles in zone, and a FAR better profile than you have. They're probably not gonna say nothing. But in their head they're thinking "what a clown. I dominate with zone".

Point is, the way you're mocking him, you could be mocked for the same thing. Isn't that easy to see?! There's way better coaches out there better than you and I. But anyways, tell me about this amazing tear that MikeT went on. I seriously don't remember when that happened

I'd like to put a moratorium on the bickering until after Christmas. That's really all any of you have to get me this year.

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2018 8:29:00 PM (view original):
Zone is actually very simple. It's not that different that the other defenses. Block is a little more important and Ath/Def is a little less.

I disagree big time. I created a thread awhile ago about difficulties I had with zone. No one could give me a straight answer that others agreed with. Ill post the link when I find it.

Zags, that thread wasn’t about difficulties with zone, that thread was debating how important BLK is. I have people that have won NC in zone helping me navigate.

Also, that thread is as straight of an answer you’ll get in any thread. You don’t see a lot of agreements in the forums.

During that time I was attempting to dive deeper into understanding the formulas behind zone. So although the title wasn’t called “difficulties in zone”, I was stumped on the importance of core attributes while using zone. Which was a difficulty for me. Obviously not for you Sportsbull because you’re the HD prodigy. I’ll call on you for some zone tips if I ever need any.

And we wonder why we can't keep new users around?

Give the man a break. He's doing the right things by reaching out to successful coaches (including me), successful ZONE coaches (NOT including me! Ha). And he's off to a good start.

He also made a FF quicker than Mike. Not that it means much, good or bad. But he's off to a good start. Reach out to help guys like this. Guys that show interest. And put forth effort. These are the coaches we want to keep around in this game. Don't push them away.

Incorrect, Mike made a FF in his 2nd season

If this is true, then this makes your argument even worse honestly. I didn't think I had to bother to look. But if it was his second season, he didn't have any of his own players, except for his freshmen.

And this is no dig against Mike. I don't dislike Mike. His legend lives on obviously ha! But I rest my case in general. I don't wanna throw mud. Hell, I woke up to an unexpected upset with my zone team in the CT. Errrrrr. I got bigger issues to worry about

How does that make my argument worse? He had multiple FF appearances. The one that I’m mentioning occurred a few seasons before he left. His first FF was in his first year or so of playing. I was saying that I valued his knowledge on zone and we were competitors in the Little E when he made that run.

If mike had more than one final four, then i'm mistaken. But did he? I don't know. What were the seasons? I'm not gonna bash mike while he's not here. But if his only final four was in his second season, that's not an outstanding feat. That was the players of the previous coach.

my only real gripe with this discussion is that you're talking to a new coach in a manner as if he can't make mistakes, and learn things along the way. Your picking on the new kid at school. Your saying to the new guy on the job that he'll never make it, and its only his first day.

Switching away from zone might be the best decision you've made in HD. Cool..... but tell that to the guys that have multiple titles in zone, and a FAR better profile than you have. They're probably not gonna say nothing. But in their head they're thinking "what a clown. I dominate with zone".

Point is, the way you're mocking him, you could be mocked for the same thing. Isn't that easy to see?! There's way better coaches out there better than you and I. But anyways, tell me about this amazing tear that MikeT went on. I seriously don't remember when that happened

Yes he did have multiple FF. One in Smith that I was present for. Check out W. Connecticut St in DIII Little E.

Definetly not picking on him or anyone. Just curious on his fixation on zone. This is a thread about offense selection. He’s made multiple threads on choosing the perfect offense. I wanted to know why the same wasn’t for defense. As for my decision to move from zone, one of my mentors, who only runs zone and has won a NC (because accolades are the only thing that seem to give anyone merit on this thread), told me that I’d probably have more success in the NT by trying out the different defensive sets, man or press. I was getting frustrated at the 1st & 2nd round bounces as the favored team after having a lot success during the season. So yeah I’m aware that there are more successful coaches, I have half as many seasons as you topdog. You, like many others, have a ton more experience than me.

Never said that he would never make it or that he would be unsuccessful. You’re making stuff up topdog, that never happened. Look at his resume , he’s the best HDer in the making. Sportsbull is in his infancy. He is on track to have at least 2 NC before he reaches Season 10.

“Sportsbull aka best HDer in history. I’ll make sure to pay tribute to you from now on. Sorry for not acknowledging your amazing track record.

Cmon man, you’re really not getting anyone’s points here. By sarcastically diminishing my successes again and not acknowledging what anyone else is saying, you’re just being a jerk. I’m clearly not saying I’ve accomplished anything in HD, we both haven’t, no NCs, but I’m on the right track and you don’t want to be a jerk to coaches like me or else the population and activity on HD will go down even more.

This could be made into a movie.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 12/24/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):
“Sportsbull aka best HDer in history. I’ll make sure to pay tribute to you from now on. Sorry for not acknowledging your amazing track record.

Cmon man, you’re really not getting anyone’s points here. By sarcastically diminishing my successes again and not acknowledging what anyone else is saying, you’re just being a jerk. I’m clearly not saying I’ve accomplished anything in HD, we both haven’t, no NCs, but I’m on the right track and you don’t want to be a jerk to coaches like me or else the population and activity on HD will go down even more.

Thanks for diminishing my success. You may feel that you have accomplish nothing, that’s fine. But I’m proud of what I have done so far in my HD career. I don’t need to win a NC to feel like I have accomplished something. I’ve accomplished a lot actually, I recently won a super conference three times in a row. *cue Benis to diminish that as well*

you already said that you have accomplished more than me. I’m doing my best to appease you, what more do you want from me?

Posted by zagsrulez on 12/24/2018 2:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 12/24/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):
“Sportsbull aka best HDer in history. I’ll make sure to pay tribute to you from now on. Sorry for not acknowledging your amazing track record.

Cmon man, you’re really not getting anyone’s points here. By sarcastically diminishing my successes again and not acknowledging what anyone else is saying, you’re just being a jerk. I’m clearly not saying I’ve accomplished anything in HD, we both haven’t, no NCs, but I’m on the right track and you don’t want to be a jerk to coaches like me or else the population and activity on HD will go down even more.

Thanks for diminishing my success. You may feel that you have accomplish nothing, that’s fine. But I’m proud of what I have done so far in my HD career. I don’t need to win a NC to feel like I have accomplished something. I’ve accomplished a lot actually, I recently won a super conference three times in a row. *cue Benis to diminish that as well*

you already said that you have accomplished more than me. I’m doing my best to appease you, what more do you want from me?

You aren't the good guy or poor victim here. Drop the shovel.