Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 9:14:00 AM (view original):
I equate this to auto insurance. If I am a safe driver, live in a safe area, I have 20+ years of experience and drive a modest car my premium is lower than someone who drives a brand new car, has several accidents and speeding tickets, five years of experience and lives in the city. Auto insurance companies adjust and I think health insurance companies should as well. I should pay less than someone with health issues such as diabetes or high blood pressure because they are obese. An obese child in a poor area costs the Gov't ~$400k for the life of that person. Generally bad food costs less than good food so the poorer people tend to be fatter, which causes them to have health issues and costs us $$$. While I agree the Gov't should not interfere in people's eating habits I think health insurance should be adjusted. It does not seem right that the "healthy" pay for the "unhealthy" because the "unhealthy" choose to eat poorly.

My 2 cents.

lol

Posted by tangplay on 2/5/2019 10:11:00 AM (view original):
Maybe in Atlanta. Not all of us live in a huge city. Where I live, healthir food is pricey.

I don't live in Atlanta. I live in a very small town about an hour and a half from Atlanta.

Besides, I would assume it would actually be more expensive in a big city.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Nope. Put me together a full days menu eating like a normal person and I will put you together a menu of all healthy food for cheaper.

Doughnut for breakfast - get a package for like 15 for $4. So that is 27 cents? Call it 30 cents.
Hot Dog, chips and soda for lunch. Hot Dogs are $5.99 for 12. Chips are 50 cents. Soda is $1 for a bottle. So $1 for HD and Bun + 50 cents for chips + glass of soda...25 cents? So that is $1.75
Chunky Soup can for dinner - $2.0 + soda of 25 cents

So now you have .30+.1.75+2.00 or ~$4.00 - $4.50 for the day to eat. All sh*t food.

Can you eat healthier for less?

Posted by dino27 on 2/5/2019 10:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 9:14:00 AM (view original):
I equate this to auto insurance. If I am a safe driver, live in a safe area, I have 20+ years of experience and drive a modest car my premium is lower than someone who drives a brand new car, has several accidents and speeding tickets, five years of experience and lives in the city. Auto insurance companies adjust and I think health insurance companies should as well. I should pay less than someone with health issues such as diabetes or high blood pressure because they are obese. An obese child in a poor area costs the Gov't ~$400k for the life of that person. Generally bad food costs less than good food so the poorer people tend to be fatter, which causes them to have health issues and costs us $$$. While I agree the Gov't should not interfere in people's eating habits I think health insurance should be adjusted. It does not seem right that the "healthy" pay for the "unhealthy" because the "unhealthy" choose to eat poorly.

My 2 cents.

lol

Your most intelligent post to date. Thank you for sharing.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 10:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Nope. Put me together a full days menu eating like a normal person and I will put you together a menu of all healthy food for cheaper.

Doughnut for breakfast - get a package for like 15 for $4. So that is 27 cents? Call it 30 cents.
Hot Dog, chips and soda for lunch. Hot Dogs are $5.99 for 12. Chips are 50 cents. Soda is $1 for a bottle. So $1 for HD and Bun + 50 cents for chips + glass of soda...25 cents? So that is $1.75
Chunky Soup can for dinner - $2.0 + soda of 25 cents

So now you have .30+.1.75+2.00 or ~$4.00 - $4.50 for the day to eat. All sh*t food.

Can you eat healthier for less?

Maybe not less, but very close. I'll put together something in a bit.

I've had the luxury of being poor and having to learn how to eat healthy for cheap.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 10:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 10:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Nope. Put me together a full days menu eating like a normal person and I will put you together a menu of all healthy food for cheaper.

Doughnut for breakfast - get a package for like 15 for $4. So that is 27 cents? Call it 30 cents.
Hot Dog, chips and soda for lunch. Hot Dogs are $5.99 for 12. Chips are 50 cents. Soda is $1 for a bottle. So $1 for HD and Bun + 50 cents for chips + glass of soda...25 cents? So that is $1.75
Chunky Soup can for dinner - $2.0 + soda of 25 cents

So now you have .30+.1.75+2.00 or ~$4.00 - $4.50 for the day to eat. All sh*t food.

Can you eat healthier for less?

Maybe not less, but very close. I'll put together something in a bit.

I've had the luxury of being poor and having to learn how to eat healthy for cheap.

I didn't even include ramen which is 50 cents per cup and is terrible for you.

Posted by all3 on 2/5/2019 8:53:00 AM (view original):
I agree, with one addition - any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.
People are free to be fat, but should NOT then expect others to help pay for their issues.
I feel exactly the same about smoking, alcohol, et al. If the health problem is self-induced by choices, it should NOT become anyone's responsibility other than the person who made those choices. That's a "win" for those who want to make bad choices, and a "win" for those who don't want to be responsible for other's bad choices.

This is about a stupid as it gets.

We don’t even fully understand obesity. There’s way more going on there—genetics, gut bacteria, hormones, endocrine disrupters in food packaging and skin care products, etc.—than just diet.

The idea that we wouldn’t allow health problems caused by obesity to be covered by insurance is completely bonkers.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 10:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Nope. Put me together a full days menu eating like a normal person and I will put you together a menu of all healthy food for cheaper.

Doughnut for breakfast - get a package for like 15 for $4. So that is 27 cents? Call it 30 cents.
Hot Dog, chips and soda for lunch. Hot Dogs are $5.99 for 12. Chips are 50 cents. Soda is $1 for a bottle. So $1 for HD and Bun + 50 cents for chips + glass of soda...25 cents? So that is $1.75
Chunky Soup can for dinner - $2.0 + soda of 25 cents

So now you have .30+.1.75+2.00 or ~$4.00 - $4.50 for the day to eat. All sh*t food.

Can you eat healthier for less?

I haven’t gone through the numbers but you can probably buy pinto beans, rice, potatoes, and corn in bulk and eat cheaper. It won’t be significantly healthier, but it will be less calorie dense...which is good and bad.

If we’re talking about weight loss, it’s good, but if you’re actually impoverished, you want eat the most calorie dense foods you can per dollar.

Yeah, you can do rice and beans for about $0.10 a serving combined. You still need other things: salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. to cook the beans but if you want to live on rice and beans, one person can do it for less than a dollar a day.

Obviously, that's not "healthy," but it's cheaper than hot dogs and soda.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 2/5/2019 8:53:00 AM (view original):
I agree, with one addition - any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.
People are free to be fat, but should NOT then expect others to help pay for their issues.
I feel exactly the same about smoking, alcohol, et al. If the health problem is self-induced by choices, it should NOT become anyone's responsibility other than the person who made those choices. That's a "win" for those who want to make bad choices, and a "win" for those who don't want to be responsible for other's bad choices.

This is about a stupid as it gets.

We don’t even fully understand obesity. There’s way more going on there—genetics, gut bacteria, hormones, endocrine disrupters in food packaging and skin care products, etc.—than just diet.

The idea that we wouldn’t allow health problems caused by obesity to be covered by insurance is completely bonkers.

You're so freaking literal. This is not at all what his post said. Learn to read. Bad Leftist.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 11:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 10:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Nope. Put me together a full days menu eating like a normal person and I will put you together a menu of all healthy food for cheaper.

Doughnut for breakfast - get a package for like 15 for $4. So that is 27 cents? Call it 30 cents.
Hot Dog, chips and soda for lunch. Hot Dogs are $5.99 for 12. Chips are 50 cents. Soda is $1 for a bottle. So $1 for HD and Bun + 50 cents for chips + glass of soda...25 cents? So that is $1.75
Chunky Soup can for dinner - $2.0 + soda of 25 cents

So now you have .30+.1.75+2.00 or ~$4.00 - $4.50 for the day to eat. All sh*t food.

Can you eat healthier for less?

I haven’t gone through the numbers but you can probably buy pinto beans, rice, potatoes, and corn in bulk and eat cheaper. It won’t be significantly healthier, but it will be less calorie dense...which is good and bad.

If we’re talking about weight loss, it’s good, but if you’re actually impoverished, you want eat the most calorie dense foods you can per dollar.

So if you haven't gone through the numbers why are you opining. That is actually not true and where would people buy this stuff in bulk?

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, you can do rice and beans for about $0.10 a serving combined. You still need other things: salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. to cook the beans but if you want to live on rice and beans, one person can do it for less than a dollar a day.

Obviously, that's not "healthy," but it's cheaper than hot dogs and soda.

Where would you buy it in bulk? Salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. all cost money. Remember the poor don't frequently have Costco cards. They live week to week. Hot dogs and eggs are easy to make. Soda is cheap. Pasta is fairly cheap. Fruits, vegetables, legumes are pricier. Milk is pricey. Quality meats are pricey as well.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, you can do rice and beans for about $0.10 a serving combined. You still need other things: salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. to cook the beans but if you want to live on rice and beans, one person can do it for less than a dollar a day.

Obviously, that's not "healthy," but it's cheaper than hot dogs and soda.

Where would you buy it in bulk? Salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. all cost money. Remember the poor don't frequently have Costco cards. They live week to week. Hot dogs and eggs are easy to make. Soda is cheap. Pasta is fairly cheap. Fruits, vegetables, legumes are pricier. Milk is pricey. Quality meats are pricey as well.

Walmart.

You can buy 250 servings of dried pinto beans for $14. 200 servings of rice for $8.

That's about $0.30 a day for one person. Yeah, garlic and onions and oil and salt cost money, but you're still under $1 a day if you buy those in bulk and use them to cook the beans. (And you don't have to have them, you can just cook the beans in water)

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 2/5/2019 8:53:00 AM (view original):
I agree, with one addition - any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.
People are free to be fat, but should NOT then expect others to help pay for their issues.
I feel exactly the same about smoking, alcohol, et al. If the health problem is self-induced by choices, it should NOT become anyone's responsibility other than the person who made those choices. That's a "win" for those who want to make bad choices, and a "win" for those who don't want to be responsible for other's bad choices.

This is about a stupid as it gets.

We don’t even fully understand obesity. There’s way more going on there—genetics, gut bacteria, hormones, endocrine disrupters in food packaging and skin care products, etc.—than just diet.

The idea that we wouldn’t allow health problems caused by obesity to be covered by insurance is completely bonkers.

You're so freaking literal. This is not at all what his post said. Learn to read. Bad Leftist.

First line of his post:

any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.