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Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Nope. Put me together a full days menu eating like a normal person and I will put you together a menu of all healthy food for cheaper.

Doughnut for breakfast - get a package for like 15 for $4. So that is 27 cents? Call it 30 cents.
Hot Dog, chips and soda for lunch. Hot Dogs are $5.99 for 12. Chips are 50 cents. Soda is $1 for a bottle. So $1 for HD and Bun + 50 cents for chips + glass of soda...25 cents? So that is $1.75
Chunky Soup can for dinner - $2.0 + soda of 25 cents

So now you have .30+.1.75+2.00 or ~$4.00 - $4.50 for the day to eat. All sh*t food.

Can you eat healthier for less?

I haven’t gone through the numbers but you can probably buy pinto beans, rice, potatoes, and corn in bulk and eat cheaper. It won’t be significantly healthier, but it will be less calorie dense...which is good and bad.

If we’re talking about weight loss, it’s good, but if you’re actually impoverished, you want eat the most calorie dense foods you can per dollar.

Correct. There's more to eating healthy than counting calories. You need a wide variety of nutrients. Like you said, rice and potatoes provide the carbs and calories that you need. You can buy bags of spinach for cheap. Lima beans are cheap. You can buy a bag of boneless, skinless chicken breasts for cheap. It is myth that it's expensive to eat healthy. I will get more specific with the numbers later.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:11:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, you can do rice and beans for about $0.10 a serving combined. You still need other things: salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. to cook the beans but if you want to live on rice and beans, one person can do it for less than a dollar a day.

Obviously, that's not "healthy," but it's cheaper than hot dogs and soda.

Where would you buy it in bulk? Salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. all cost money. Remember the poor don't frequently have Costco cards. They live week to week. Hot dogs and eggs are easy to make. Soda is cheap. Pasta is fairly cheap. Fruits, vegetables, legumes are pricier. Milk is pricey. Quality meats are pricey as well.

Walmart.

You can buy 250 servings of dried pinto beans for $14. 200 servings of rice for $8.

That's about $0.30 a day for one person. Yeah, garlic and onions and oil and salt cost money, but you're still under $1 a day if you buy those in bulk and use them to cook the beans. (And you don't have to have them, you can just cook the beans in water)

Beans will probably not fill you up. Franks and beans, sure. Rice/Beans still doesn't get you fruits and vegetables, which to me are essential.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:13:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 2/5/2019 8:53:00 AM (view original):
I agree, with one addition - any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.
People are free to be fat, but should NOT then expect others to help pay for their issues.
I feel exactly the same about smoking, alcohol, et al. If the health problem is self-induced by choices, it should NOT become anyone's responsibility other than the person who made those choices. That's a "win" for those who want to make bad choices, and a "win" for those who don't want to be responsible for other's bad choices.

This is about a stupid as it gets.

We don’t even fully understand obesity. There’s way more going on there—genetics, gut bacteria, hormones, endocrine disrupters in food packaging and skin care products, etc.—than just diet.

The idea that we wouldn’t allow health problems caused by obesity to be covered by insurance is completely bonkers.

You're so freaking literal. This is not at all what his post said. Learn to read. Bad Leftist.

First line of his post:

any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.

He also said if it is self-induced by bad choices. I don't disagree. If you take care of yourself, eat healthy, exercise, etc. and I sit on my *** all day eating burgers and chips and we are both 35, work for the same company and have the individual coverage, why are we paying the same premium? Doesn't make any sense and not how the car insurance industry works.

They are essential, but they can be purchased cheaply. There are fruits that are expensive. Organic foods are especially expensive, but they are not necessary to a healthy diet.

I disagree with B_L about obesity. Fat people are fat because they don't take care of themselves. Some have to work harder than others, but that is life. I wasn't gifted with a 95 mph arm. Some people are. I had to work harder than most to compete at a high level. Some people have to work harder than others to maintain a healthy BMI, but everyone can do it.

Also, remember that skinny doesn't mean healthy.

The chicken breasts aren't cheap. But you don't have to have them. You can have canned tuna if you really want meat.

But I still disagree with the idea that being fat is 100% the fault and responsibility of the fat person. My best friend growing up has two sons who are about a year apart and still in elementary school. They eat a fairly normal diet, nothing crazy. No extreme amounts of sugar or fast food. One kid is rail thin and absolutely crushes every meal, usually going back for seconds. The other eats a normal amount and is currently enrolled in a university study for kids with obesity.

There's a lot we don't know about how our bodies work. How they digest food. How they store calories. Saying that anyone can avoid obesity with a decent diet is naive.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, you can do rice and beans for about $0.10 a serving combined. You still need other things: salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. to cook the beans but if you want to live on rice and beans, one person can do it for less than a dollar a day.

Obviously, that's not "healthy," but it's cheaper than hot dogs and soda.

Where would you buy it in bulk? Salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. all cost money. Remember the poor don't frequently have Costco cards. They live week to week. Hot dogs and eggs are easy to make. Soda is cheap. Pasta is fairly cheap. Fruits, vegetables, legumes are pricier. Milk is pricey. Quality meats are pricey as well.

Walmart.

You can buy 250 servings of dried pinto beans for $14. 200 servings of rice for $8.

That's about $0.30 a day for one person. Yeah, garlic and onions and oil and salt cost money, but you're still under $1 a day if you buy those in bulk and use them to cook the beans. (And you don't have to have them, you can just cook the beans in water)

Beans will probably not fill you up. Franks and beans, sure. Rice/Beans still doesn't get you fruits and vegetables, which to me are essential.

Rice and beans can fill you up. Lots and lots of very poor people live on rice and beans.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:13:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 2/5/2019 8:53:00 AM (view original):
I agree, with one addition - any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.
People are free to be fat, but should NOT then expect others to help pay for their issues.
I feel exactly the same about smoking, alcohol, et al. If the health problem is self-induced by choices, it should NOT become anyone's responsibility other than the person who made those choices. That's a "win" for those who want to make bad choices, and a "win" for those who don't want to be responsible for other's bad choices.

This is about a stupid as it gets.

We don’t even fully understand obesity. There’s way more going on there—genetics, gut bacteria, hormones, endocrine disrupters in food packaging and skin care products, etc.—than just diet.

The idea that we wouldn’t allow health problems caused by obesity to be covered by insurance is completely bonkers.

You're so freaking literal. This is not at all what his post said. Learn to read. Bad Leftist.

First line of his post:

any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.

He also said if it is self-induced by bad choices. I don't disagree. If you take care of yourself, eat healthy, exercise, etc. and I sit on my *** all day eating burgers and chips and we are both 35, work for the same company and have the individual coverage, why are we paying the same premium? Doesn't make any sense and not how the car insurance industry works.

There's no way to separate self-induced obesity from non-self-induced obesity. What's a health insurance company going to do, pull up footage of all of your childhood meals?

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:27:00 PM (view original):
The chicken breasts aren't cheap. But you don't have to have them. You can have canned tuna if you really want meat.

But I still disagree with the idea that being fat is 100% the fault and responsibility of the fat person. My best friend growing up has two sons who are about a year apart and still in elementary school. They eat a fairly normal diet, nothing crazy. No extreme amounts of sugar or fast food. One kid is rail thin and absolutely crushes every meal, usually going back for seconds. The other eats a normal amount and is currently enrolled in a university study for kids with obesity.

There's a lot we don't know about how our bodies work. How they digest food. How they store calories. Saying that anyone can avoid obesity with a decent diet is naive.

That kid is an exception. 99/100 are fat because of poor choices. In this case if the person is enrolled in a study or working with a doctor that would be an exception but the MD says you're healthy but are just making bad choices then it is on YOU!

I also agree that many "fat" people are healthier than skinny smokers for instance. Again I don't understand why people who are unhealthy pay the same as those who are healthy for health insurance. It is illogical. Not how auto or life insurance works.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 2/5/2019 8:53:00 AM (view original):
I agree, with one addition - any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.
People are free to be fat, but should NOT then expect others to help pay for their issues.
I feel exactly the same about smoking, alcohol, et al. If the health problem is self-induced by choices, it should NOT become anyone's responsibility other than the person who made those choices. That's a "win" for those who want to make bad choices, and a "win" for those who don't want to be responsible for other's bad choices.

This is about a stupid as it gets.

We don’t even fully understand obesity. There’s way more going on there—genetics, gut bacteria, hormones, endocrine disrupters in food packaging and skin care products, etc.—than just diet.

The idea that we wouldn’t allow health problems caused by obesity to be covered by insurance is completely bonkers.

You're so freaking literal. This is not at all what his post said. Learn to read. Bad Leftist.

First line of his post:

any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.

He also said if it is self-induced by bad choices. I don't disagree. If you take care of yourself, eat healthy, exercise, etc. and I sit on my *** all day eating burgers and chips and we are both 35, work for the same company and have the individual coverage, why are we paying the same premium? Doesn't make any sense and not how the car insurance industry works.

There's no way to separate self-induced obesity from non-self-induced obesity. What's a health insurance company going to do, pull up footage of all of your childhood meals?

I am talking about my example. Two 35 year old adults. One is 6'0, 200 pounds the other is 6'0 280 pounds of fat. Why do they pay the same premium? Makes no sense.

It's not naive. It's the truth. Some people have to work harder than others, but anyone can do it. Saying they can't is naive.

By the way, I pay $19 for a 10 lb bag of boneless, skinless chicken. That comes out to less than $1/piece. As I said, it's cheap.

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, you can do rice and beans for about $0.10 a serving combined. You still need other things: salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. to cook the beans but if you want to live on rice and beans, one person can do it for less than a dollar a day.

Obviously, that's not "healthy," but it's cheaper than hot dogs and soda.

Where would you buy it in bulk? Salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. all cost money. Remember the poor don't frequently have Costco cards. They live week to week. Hot dogs and eggs are easy to make. Soda is cheap. Pasta is fairly cheap. Fruits, vegetables, legumes are pricier. Milk is pricey. Quality meats are pricey as well.

Walmart.

You can buy 250 servings of dried pinto beans for $14. 200 servings of rice for $8.

That's about $0.30 a day for one person. Yeah, garlic and onions and oil and salt cost money, but you're still under $1 a day if you buy those in bulk and use them to cook the beans. (And you don't have to have them, you can just cook the beans in water)

Beans will probably not fill you up. Franks and beans, sure. Rice/Beans still doesn't get you fruits and vegetables, which to me are essential.

Rice and beans can fill you up. Lots and lots of very poor people live on rice and beans.

Yes and they look skinny and malnourished. Fruits, vegetables, proteins like fish or chicken or tofu if you're not a meat eater are criticial IMO.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:27:00 PM (view original):
The chicken breasts aren't cheap. But you don't have to have them. You can have canned tuna if you really want meat.

But I still disagree with the idea that being fat is 100% the fault and responsibility of the fat person. My best friend growing up has two sons who are about a year apart and still in elementary school. They eat a fairly normal diet, nothing crazy. No extreme amounts of sugar or fast food. One kid is rail thin and absolutely crushes every meal, usually going back for seconds. The other eats a normal amount and is currently enrolled in a university study for kids with obesity.

There's a lot we don't know about how our bodies work. How they digest food. How they store calories. Saying that anyone can avoid obesity with a decent diet is naive.

That kid is an exception. 99/100 are fat because of poor choices. In this case if the person is enrolled in a study or working with a doctor that would be an exception but the MD says you're healthy but are just making bad choices then it is on YOU!

I also agree that many "fat" people are healthier than skinny smokers for instance. Again I don't understand why people who are unhealthy pay the same as those who are healthy for health insurance. It is illogical. Not how auto or life insurance works.

If you don't have auto insurance you don't die. That's the difference. Health insurance is really health coverage. We are all human. We are all going to break down at one point or another. We've decided, as a society, that health coverage is a necessity for everyone regardless of their choices.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, you can do rice and beans for about $0.10 a serving combined. You still need other things: salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. to cook the beans but if you want to live on rice and beans, one person can do it for less than a dollar a day.

Obviously, that's not "healthy," but it's cheaper than hot dogs and soda.

Where would you buy it in bulk? Salt, onions, garlic, oil, etc. all cost money. Remember the poor don't frequently have Costco cards. They live week to week. Hot dogs and eggs are easy to make. Soda is cheap. Pasta is fairly cheap. Fruits, vegetables, legumes are pricier. Milk is pricey. Quality meats are pricey as well.

Walmart.

You can buy 250 servings of dried pinto beans for $14. 200 servings of rice for $8.

That's about $0.30 a day for one person. Yeah, garlic and onions and oil and salt cost money, but you're still under $1 a day if you buy those in bulk and use them to cook the beans. (And you don't have to have them, you can just cook the beans in water)

Beans will probably not fill you up. Franks and beans, sure. Rice/Beans still doesn't get you fruits and vegetables, which to me are essential.

Rice and beans can fill you up. Lots and lots of very poor people live on rice and beans.

Yes and they look skinny and malnourished. Fruits, vegetables, proteins like fish or chicken or tofu if you're not a meat eater are criticial IMO.

Fruits and vegetables are absolutely necessary. Meats aren't. Even tofu isn't. There are competitive powerlifters who are vegan, many avoid soy products.

Correct. Protein is necessary, but meat is not. There are many different sources of protein. My noodles have protein.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/5/2019 12:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/5/2019 12:27:00 PM (view original):
The chicken breasts aren't cheap. But you don't have to have them. You can have canned tuna if you really want meat.

But I still disagree with the idea that being fat is 100% the fault and responsibility of the fat person. My best friend growing up has two sons who are about a year apart and still in elementary school. They eat a fairly normal diet, nothing crazy. No extreme amounts of sugar or fast food. One kid is rail thin and absolutely crushes every meal, usually going back for seconds. The other eats a normal amount and is currently enrolled in a university study for kids with obesity.

There's a lot we don't know about how our bodies work. How they digest food. How they store calories. Saying that anyone can avoid obesity with a decent diet is naive.

That kid is an exception. 99/100 are fat because of poor choices. In this case if the person is enrolled in a study or working with a doctor that would be an exception but the MD says you're healthy but are just making bad choices then it is on YOU!

I also agree that many "fat" people are healthier than skinny smokers for instance. Again I don't understand why people who are unhealthy pay the same as those who are healthy for health insurance. It is illogical. Not how auto or life insurance works.

If you don't have auto insurance you don't die. That's the difference. Health insurance is really health coverage. We are all human. We are all going to break down at one point or another. We've decided, as a society, that health coverage is a necessity for everyone regardless of their choices.

#1) W/O your car you cannot get to work to get paid so you could die from cold on the streets.

#2) We should still have insurance but I should pay more if I am deemed to be less healthy. I should pay say $100 per month more because I am obese vs. you not being obese.

#3) We as a society are still debating this and meanwhile insurance companies are generating record profits.