Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 1:50:00 PM (view original):
It's always heartwarming when you see a kid come from a crappy situation and make it. My adopted son had a biological who was a gang-member and drug dealer. His mom was a piece of crap. He married a girl whose dad wasn't anywhere to be found and her mom was a druggy, prostitute. My son is a sheriff's deputy and his wife is finishing up nursing school. Those are two kids who were destined to fail and yet they overcame their environment.

you are a tremendous person.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 1:50:00 PM (view original):
It's always heartwarming when you see a kid come from a crappy situation and make it. My adopted son had a biological who was a gang-member and drug dealer. His mom was a piece of crap. He married a girl whose dad wasn't anywhere to be found and her mom was a druggy, prostitute. My son is a sheriff's deputy and his wife is finishing up nursing school. Those are two kids who were destined to fail and yet they overcame their environment.

It's important to remember that while I mentioned the kid who is well-off now, I went to an elementary school where almost everyone was in a similar situation and most aren't doing as well.

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Posted by wylie715 on 2/4/2019 7:28:00 PM (view original):
Again, I'm not defending his actions, but I'd be willing to bet you did some pretty stupid things when you were 25, that you regret now. I know I did. I don't know about you, but I am nowhere near the same person I was when I was 25.

We hold people accountable for things they do as adults (and sometimes as children). Sometimes it makes no sense. This isn't one of those times.

of course you are right.
intellectualizing excuses is absurd....he was a me doctor for god's sakes.
only a racist could find humor in what he did...think about it in those terms y'all.

okay..when I was about that age I went to a halloween party dressed as a Chinese guy. I put a bald cap over my hair (this was back when I still had some), put on a fake fu manchu mustache and wore achinese silk robe. Nowadays that would probably be frowned upon. Back then I just thought it was amusing. Am I a racist? No, I am not. But going by your logic, I am.

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Posted by wylie715 on 2/4/2019 7:28:00 PM (view original):
Again, I'm not defending his actions, but I'd be willing to bet you did some pretty stupid things when you were 25, that you regret now. I know I did. I don't know about you, but I am nowhere near the same person I was when I was 25.

We hold people accountable for things they do as adults (and sometimes as children). Sometimes it makes no sense. This isn't one of those times.

of course you are right.
intellectualizing excuses is absurd....he was a me doctor for god's sakes.
only a racist could find humor in what he did...think about it in those terms y'all.

okay..when I was about that age I went to a halloween party dressed as a Chinese guy. I put a bald cap over my hair (this was back when I still had some), put on a fake fu manchu mustache and wore achinese silk robe. Nowadays that would probably be frowned upon. Back then I just thought it was amusing. Am I a racist? No, I am not. But going by your logic, I am.

no. i would not......you were dressing up as a movie character and not trying to belittle a racial group.

Posted by all3 on 2/5/2019 8:53:00 AM (view original):
I agree, with one addition - any health problems people have solely because of their excess weight should NOT be covered by any health insurance.
People are free to be fat, but should NOT then expect others to help pay for their issues.
I feel exactly the same about smoking, alcohol, et al. If the health problem is self-induced by choices, it should NOT become anyone's responsibility other than the person who made those choices. That's a "win" for those who want to make bad choices, and a "win" for those who don't want to be responsible for other's bad choices.

I agree with strikeout too. I see nothing wrong with the government advising people on what is healthy to eat, but after that it is a personal decision. Not sure I agree with all3 about health insurance not paying for obesity related health issues. You can be a bad driver and still get car insurance. You'll just pay more. Same should apply to health insurance. If you are obese and eat unhealthy, you at a greater risk to have health problems and should pay for health insurance accordingly.

also it was not casting the chinese as inferior or that it is fun to oppress them.
it is a mistake to always try the one size must fit all analogies...i notice a lot of that is done around here

there might be 100 factors why someone might be fat..everything from metabolism to genetics to certain medicines or unrelated illnesses to food allergies to immoblity.....

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 12:37:00 PM (view original):
Correct. Protein is necessary, but meat is not. There are many different sources of protein. My noodles have protein.

are you always giving women a shot of protein from your noodle??? *wink wink*

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Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 12:31:00 PM (view original):
It's not naive. It's the truth. Some people have to work harder than others, but anyone can do it. Saying they can't is naive.

By the way, I pay $19 for a 10 lb bag of boneless, skinless chicken. That comes out to less than $1/piece. As I said, it's cheap.

It's 100% naive.

Some people can lose weight. Most who do, gain it back plus some. Your body sets your fat cell count for life sometime around puberty. If you're unlucky enough to be overweight as a kid, chances are you can never shake it as an adult because you have a high fat cell count. You can shrink the fat cells with a good diet, but not get rid of them. And the fat cells are programmed to want to refill, so you'll literally struggle against biology for the rest of your life. Someone lucky enough to get through puberty without getting fat has a lower fat cell count. They have an easier time avoiding weight-gain as an adult and, if they do gain weight, have an easier time losing it.

Another factor is gut bacteria. There was a obese woman with some sort of nasty infection. She had to take a hard-core antibiotic to deal with the infection and it wiped out her gut bacteria. The doctors transplanted gut bacteria from her daughter (who was not obese) and the woman lost all the weight without changing her diet.

You're giving rare examples. 99% of the people are overweight due to poor diet, lack of exercise and lack of will power. I was super skinny as a kid so I had to work extra hard at the gym to put on weight. I could have stayed skinny. Conversely if I were obese I would work extra hard at dropping LBs by running, biking, sports, weights and a better diet. I don't care if you want to be fat and unhealthy but you should not paying the same for healthcare as I am. You pay more for life insurance. No one is arguing about that. Why?

The fact that that is a rare example isn't the point. The point is we don't fully (or maybe even partially) understand how gut bacteria works in relation to weight gain. Two people with the same diet can have significantly different BMIs due to their gut bacteria composition.

Again, you keep saying "they ate the same diet." Regardless of the cause, some people are prone to put on weight easier than others. People have to tailor their diet to their needs. Everyone can avoid getting fat or lose weight.

I agree with most of what you say on this issue, strikeout, but it is not true that everyone can avoid getting fat. Some people are genetically predisposed to be obese. They can not help it. Admittedly probably a small percentage, but still some people.

Posted by toddcommish on 2/5/2019 2:18:00 PM (view original):
Health insurance is (partially) dependent on lifestyle - If you're a smoker, you pay more and you SHOULD. If you're obese, you pay more and you SHOULD. BL's idiotic gut bacteria argument aside, having an unhealthy lifestyle is a CHOICE. Every choice has tradeoffs.

If you choose to smoke, you're choosing to buy heavily taxed cigarettes and pay more for health insurance and life insurance.

If you're obese, you can still improve your lifestyle and get into a healthy range, but it might TAKE WORK. If you choose not to do that work, you're choosing to pay more for health insurance (diabetes is a BIG add-on cost) and life insurance.

Choices.

Thank you, todd. I agree 100%!

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Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 12:31:00 PM (view original):
It's not naive. It's the truth. Some people have to work harder than others, but anyone can do it. Saying they can't is naive.

By the way, I pay $19 for a 10 lb bag of boneless, skinless chicken. That comes out to less than $1/piece. As I said, it's cheap.

It's 100% naive.

Some people can lose weight. Most who do, gain it back plus some. Your body sets your fat cell count for life sometime around puberty. If you're unlucky enough to be overweight as a kid, chances are you can never shake it as an adult because you have a high fat cell count. You can shrink the fat cells with a good diet, but not get rid of them. And the fat cells are programmed to want to refill, so you'll literally struggle against biology for the rest of your life. Someone lucky enough to get through puberty without getting fat has a lower fat cell count. They have an easier time avoiding weight-gain as an adult and, if they do gain weight, have an easier time losing it.

Another factor is gut bacteria. There was a obese woman with some sort of nasty infection. She had to take a hard-core antibiotic to deal with the infection and it wiped out her gut bacteria. The doctors transplanted gut bacteria from her daughter (who was not obese) and the woman lost all the weight without changing her diet.

You're giving rare examples. 99% of the people are overweight due to poor diet, lack of exercise and lack of will power. I was super skinny as a kid so I had to work extra hard at the gym to put on weight. I could have stayed skinny. Conversely if I were obese I would work extra hard at dropping LBs by running, biking, sports, weights and a better diet. I don't care if you want to be fat and unhealthy but you should not paying the same for healthcare as I am. You pay more for life insurance. No one is arguing about that. Why?

The fact that that is a rare example isn't the point. The point is we don't fully (or maybe even partially) understand how gut bacteria works in relation to weight gain. Two people with the same diet can have significantly different BMIs due to their gut bacteria composition.

Again, you keep saying "they ate the same diet." Regardless of the cause, some people are prone to put on weight easier than others. People have to tailor their diet to their needs. Everyone can avoid getting fat or lose weight.

I agree with most of what you say on this issue, strikeout, but it is not true that everyone can avoid getting fat. Some people are genetically predisposed to be obese. They can not help it. Admittedly probably a small percentage, but still some people.

Yes a tiny % yet bad luck uses them as the primary example.

well, that goes along with BL's view on a guy who identifies as a woman. His/her comfort is more important that the many women he would make uncomfortable using the women's locker room. The needs o one individual outweigh the needs of the many in his philosophy.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/5/2019 2:44:00 PM (view original):
well, that goes along with BL's view on a guy who identifies as a woman. His/her comfort is more important that the many women he would make uncomfortable using the women's locker room. The needs o one individual outweigh the needs of the many in his philosophy.

Yes. Warped logic IMO. I still don't understand why healthcare is more of a right than food.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 1:44:00 PM (view original):
As a libertarian, I want government out of my life completely. California is now requiring companies to have at least 1 woman on their board of directors by the end of 2019 and must have at least 2 by the end of 2021. Government should not be involved in companies decisions. This is major government overreach.

In 10 years, it will be one woman, one hoh-mo, one transgen, and on and on and on. Shareholders should have the final say. Government has ZErO business meddling in business. SO if I am an American, I open my business in... Eugene, Seattle, anywhere but crazy California. So I totally agree w you. Therefore, can't debate

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Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 2:02:00 PM (view original):
Being publicly traded should in no way give the government say in how a company should be run. These decisions should be left to the stockholders. Government has WAY too much involvement in business and it's constantly expanding.

Being incorporated and publicly traded absolutely gives the government say in how companies are run. That's just a fact of business, regardless of this specific law.

Governments are totally incompetent, therefore have no right to tell people how to run a business. Ethics, yes. Anti bullying in the workiplace laws, yes; but stay out of the boardroom. By the way, Bullies get promoted. their victims get demoted, fired, or they just quit. Man is corrupt from head to toe anyhow..