Neither party can be for true limited government. Parties are in place to make money and win elections. If the republicans or democrats went on the campaign trail and said "we are going to do nothing. We are going to let people live their lives without our interference" no one would donate to them. They have to go out and say "we're going to do this, this, and this." The libertarian party has tried saying "we're going to do nothing" and you see how that works for them.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 10:38:00 PM (view original):
When I think of the democratic party, I see a party who really doesn't care about people. They care about power. The more support they have from each "group", the more power they have. They enslave people through their policies instead of preaching freedom of choice and self-accountability. I don't believe that all democrats feel this way. I feel that people such as Tang truly feel compassion for people, but the leaders of the party most certainly only care about power.

To say that they are the party of science is very misleading. They, like the republicans, only care about science when it suits their agenda.

could not disagree more.......the actions and policies speak for themselves....what you say about power is your interpretation.
the dems are the party thats says not everyone is able to be responsible for themselves like others and society and govt needs to help.
i dont know anyone that thinks about either party in terms of power.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 10:38:00 PM (view original):
When I think of the democratic party, I see a party who really doesn't care about people. They care about power. The more support they have from each "group", the more power they have. They enslave people through their policies instead of preaching freedom of choice and self-accountability. I don't believe that all democrats feel this way. I feel that people such as Tang truly feel compassion for people, but the leaders of the party most certainly only care about power.

To say that they are the party of science is very misleading. They, like the republicans, only care about science when it suits their agenda.

I see no appreciable difference between Democrats and Republicans in regards to craving power. They merely go about exhibiting their power-intoxication in very different ways. Neither party in its current form respects the Constitution, and thus the American people, a single damn.

all i can say is im very proud of a party that tries to be " christian" - like and believes in science and endorses it.
while refusing to let religion tread on govt..

Posted by dino27 on 2/5/2019 10:48:00 PM (view original):
all i can say is im very proud of a party that tries to be " christian" - like and believes in science and endorses it.
while refusing to let religion tread on govt..

No problem, bro. I respect your right to that point of view and would fight to the death anyone who forceably tries to take it away from you.

I'm very proud to believe that both dominant parties are steaming piles of big game excrement and am so very thankful not to be a member or either one.

Gomiami sums it up well. You have every right to believe what you believe and i'm glad that you have a party to call home. It must be nice. I don't have one. Like I have said, I most closely relate with the libertarian party, but that's a waste as they practically win no elections.

I believe that every able-bodied person should be responsible for themselves. If they fail, that's on them. I don't believe it's the responsibility to help those who aren't able-bodied either. I believe that responsibility falls on the community, church, etc.

I am a bit more pessimistic, or, realistic, about humans than you, strikeout, but I am less pessimistic about government.

No offense Tang, but i'm guessing World History was not one of your better subjects in school.

Actually it was one of my better subjects, lol.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 11:09:00 PM (view original):
Gomiami sums it up well. You have every right to believe what you believe and i'm glad that you have a party to call home. It must be nice. I don't have one. Like I have said, I most closely relate with the libertarian party, but that's a waste as they practically win no elections.

I believe that every able-bodied person should be responsible for themselves. If they fail, that's on them. I don't believe it's the responsibility to help those who aren't able-bodied either. I believe that responsibility falls on the community, church, etc.

i dont mean this in a snide way....i really mean that......but im the agnostic who thinks that all the bibles are myths and God is not involved in our lives
and you are a believer in the testaments
but i believe in everyone being the good samaritan and you do not.
it is a microcosm of such a national paradox.

Posted by dino27 on 2/6/2019 12:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/5/2019 11:09:00 PM (view original):
Gomiami sums it up well. You have every right to believe what you believe and i'm glad that you have a party to call home. It must be nice. I don't have one. Like I have said, I most closely relate with the libertarian party, but that's a waste as they practically win no elections.

I believe that every able-bodied person should be responsible for themselves. If they fail, that's on them. I don't believe it's the responsibility to help those who aren't able-bodied either. I believe that responsibility falls on the community, church, etc.

i dont mean this in a snide way....i really mean that......but im the agnostic who thinks that all the bibles are myths and God is not involved in our lives
and you are a believer in the testaments
but i believe in everyone being the good samaritan and you do not.
it is a microcosm of such a national paradox.

Dino, you have it totally backwards. I believe in everyone being a Good Samaritan. You believe Mr. omnipotent government can always come in compel action. I don't believe we need government for people to do the right thing. For some reason, you have this view that if people are against the government meddling in our lives then they are against helping people. That is just not right and I'm not sure why you think that. Your worldview is very backwards. I'm not being snide either.

And the irony of your post is that you posted it right after I said the responsibility of humanitarian aid falls on the community, not the government.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 7:35:00 AM (view original):
And the irony of your post is that you posted it right after I said the responsibility of humanitarian aid falls on the community, not the government.

I agree 100%, KO.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/5/2019 10:37:00 PM (view original):
I agree with dino absolutely about how we all have our biases. Mine to be honest is to have the government restrict itself to what power the Constitution actually grants it and, as for the rest, to please stay the living **** out of my life. Thank you and Amen.

Hear!! Hear!! Exactomundo even! THIS certainly is the ideal application for the role of the Federal Gov't.

Which leaves the individual States to govern as they see fit (individually) within the prescribed limits of Federal Constitutional LAW!
SOME states should be free (and likely WILL be) to allow whatever--------- late term abortions, legalized drugs, whatever??

OTHER states will pass restrictive Laws and attempt to govern from a right wing perspective.

Individual citizens have the right to CHOOSE where to live.
Love it or leave it.
FREEDOM.

What a concept.

You're both right. Community is just a microcosm of society like Government.

There is a HUGE difference between the FEDERAL Gov't (and it's role) and a local Gov't.

History shows the Feds have become more and more involved (where they shouldn't be constitutionally) BECAUSE the State and Local Gov't's FAILED to deliver what the General Public wanted. The Feds stepped in and filled the role.

Fact is, to just count on so-called Christianity, or community compassion, or do-gooder groups of ANY sort just doesn't (and DIDN'T) work.
A social safety net was demanded and instituted by the PEOPLE. THRU our Gov't. WE ARE the Gov't, you remember?

I, too, for a long time self identified as a Libertarian. That was delusional. The Libertarians have it mostly (perhaps?) right, but some of their governing principles are sheerly NUTS.

I (for example) DON'T want the Grand Canyon, and Yellowstone sold and owned by Private interests!
The National Park Idea is one of the VERY BEST things our Federal Government ever did for us PEOPLE and our Great Grandchildren!

In today's political world, hating both parties SHOULD be a logical given.
But the very idea of supporting (linked) politicians who willfully lie and mislead the public, while refusing to accept the REALITY of what IS is the largest form of NUTS and self delusion I can think of.

The current Republican party is as evil as anything I have witnessed in my lifetime.
THEY refuse to accept known facts because those facts are inconvenient to their ideology.
THEY accept a leadership (of their OWN party) that is corrupt as can be, that lies to the public about very grave issues daily, willfully with full awareness of the risk to the Country, with full awareness of the questions regarding the current POTUS possible compromises (with serious adversaries!), just BECAUSE of their all consuming desire for power!

In short, I believe the Republican leadership is currently aiding and abetting the compromise of our Country. They are effectively treasonous.
They've abdicated their principles and have violated the oath they took to preserve and protect.

Thus, the Democratic Party remains the ONLY voice for the real ordinary folks. Even WITH all it's inherent flaws and wings of lunacy.
It's messy. Just like a true democracy. The party holds fruitcakes from every angle. Just like US!

The Republicans are a single minded group of liars and frauds!
Like Lindsay Graham. What a spineless moron.

If McCain were alive today he'd castrate Graham, literally remove his tiny balls, for WHO Graham has become.
Of course, Graham would have never said and done what he has had McCain been alive.
Robin never knew what to do until Batman splained things to him!