Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/6/2019 10:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 2/6/2019 9:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/6/2019 9:51:00 PM (view original):
hmm. Both sides are taking an extreme position to me and probably on purpose. That way, the chances of a reasonable compromise become greatly reduced and both sides can claim moral superiority. You see that a lot lately.

no...just showing it is sometimes a gray area even for extreme enemies of choice.
i say it is gray..i am not in any way demonstrating moral superiority...thats why i favor choice.

I wasn't directing towards you. There is a tendancy for this conversation to be pulled in two extreme directions. One says all abortion is evil and the other says all abortion is good just for the sheer hell of it.

I think most people in the country fall somewhere in between. It is the edges of the conversation that claim moral superiority.

No one is arguing that abortion is good. The argument is that abortion is a right. And it is. The government doesn’t get to decide for you what happens within your body.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:42:00 AM (view original):
Next topic: Formal education

I will go into more detail a little later, but to get the topic rolling I will start with this. With the exception of a few science related fields, formal education in its career state is completely useless. With today's technology and resources, I can learn everything for free that would cost me a minimum of $80 grand in college.

Apprenticeships are a lost art. They are well more beneficial than classroom learning.

Like I say, I will go into more detail later, but lets hear your opinions on the subject.

My friend who is a plumber is a millionaire. If I could do it all over again, I'd be an apprentice and then have my own company. White collar jobs can earn more but not always. My finance teacher told us this joke one time. His friend, a retired investment banker had his hot water heater blow out. It was a late night in December and he called a plumber. The man did the job in two hours and then gave a bill for $1,600 for the labor. The retired I Banker was shocked. $1,600? That is $800 per hour. Chap, that is more than I made as an investment banker. The plumber smiled at him and said, "This is more than I made as an investment banker too".

Nothing wrong with trade schools. Plumbers, HVAC, electricians, etc.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 9:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/6/2019 9:51:00 PM (view original):
hmm. Both sides are taking an extreme position to me and probably on purpose. That way, the chances of a reasonable compromise become greatly reduced and both sides can claim moral superiority. You see that a lot lately.

It doesn’t really seem that extreme to side with the law as it has been for almost 50 years.

No but you gave rare examples and then ignored my rare example. You're a tool.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:42:00 AM (view original):
Next topic: Formal education

I will go into more detail a little later, but to get the topic rolling I will start with this. With the exception of a few science related fields, formal education in its career state is completely useless. With today's technology and resources, I can learn everything for free that would cost me a minimum of $80 grand in college.

Apprenticeships are a lost art. They are well more beneficial than classroom learning.

Like I say, I will go into more detail later, but lets hear your opinions on the subject.

I guess it depends on what you do I will say, after working with lots and lots of small businesses over the years, business owners who have a college degree are almost always better at communicating in writing than owners without a college degree.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 10:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 9:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/6/2019 9:51:00 PM (view original):
hmm. Both sides are taking an extreme position to me and probably on purpose. That way, the chances of a reasonable compromise become greatly reduced and both sides can claim moral superiority. You see that a lot lately.

It doesn’t really seem that extreme to side with the law as it has been for almost 50 years.

No but you gave rare examples and then ignored my rare example. You're a tool.

I directly addressed your rare example.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 10:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 10:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 9:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/6/2019 9:51:00 PM (view original):
hmm. Both sides are taking an extreme position to me and probably on purpose. That way, the chances of a reasonable compromise become greatly reduced and both sides can claim moral superiority. You see that a lot lately.

It doesn’t really seem that extreme to side with the law as it has been for almost 50 years.

No but you gave rare examples and then ignored my rare example. You're a tool.

I directly addressed your rare example.

But you called it "rare" when all you gave was rare examples and fought for them. You don't see that as hypocrisy?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:42:00 AM (view original):
Next topic: Formal education

I will go into more detail a little later, but to get the topic rolling I will start with this. With the exception of a few science related fields, formal education in its career state is completely useless. With today's technology and resources, I can learn everything for free that would cost me a minimum of $80 grand in college.

Apprenticeships are a lost art. They are well more beneficial than classroom learning.

Like I say, I will go into more detail later, but lets hear your opinions on the subject.

1) I agree on apprenticeships. I learned more doing that than anything I learned in school.

2) I still think formal education is valuable. While I agree that most people are able to learn just as well at home (although I have concerns about the impoverished) it's still a good thing to be in a classroom, interacting w/ teachers and students. It's like me saying, "I have a Bible at home, and I can listen to a church sermon online, so what's the point of actually going to church?"

3) I think formal education should be more personalized at a younger age. I love what schools (at least in Kansas) are starting to do now by using 'career pathways' at a younger age. I don't see much need for core classes after 7/8th grade, when most kids know what they like and what they don't.

Late term abortions almost never happen. When they do, it’s because there is a problem with the pregnancy.

If your argument is that abortions after viability should be outlawed, I’m telling you that you’d only be outlawing abortions that are medically necessary.

Do you understand?

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/7/2019 9:21:00 AM (view original):
Eliminate the Department of Education and I'm good.

Meh. I'm fine with the DOE, less fine with the person running it.

Posted by all3 on 2/7/2019 9:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/7/2019 9:21:00 AM (view original):
Eliminate the Department of Education and I'm good.

But, ... but .., Mr. Sanders and all his Socialist friends want to give me FREE college on top of my 1st 12 years. I want FREE, because I'm an American and therefore deserve it. Oh yeah, "FREE" meaning others pay for it instead of me.

You also have to pay for it... taxes?

Fwiw, I enjoyed college. Still have debt but it was a good time to be there and I learned a lot.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 10:17:00 AM (view original):
Late term abortions almost never happen. When they do, it’s because there is a problem with the pregnancy.

If your argument is that abortions after viability should be outlawed, I’m telling you that you’d only be outlawing abortions that are medically necessary.

Do you understand?

If medically necessary then they should happen but you missed my overall point. YOU ALWAYS ARGUE based on rare cases. ALWAYS. Like the trans in bathroom cases or playing sports. I am saying late term abortions can happen and are allowed. Do you think they should be if NOT for medical reasons even in rare cases. Yes or No? Seems simple. Just respond with one word.

Posted by tangplay on 2/7/2019 10:19:00 AM (view original):
Fwiw, I enjoyed college. Still have debt but it was a good time to be there and I learned a lot.

Great for you. Have you done a cost benefit analysis to gauge if it was worth it?

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 10:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/7/2019 10:19:00 AM (view original):
Fwiw, I enjoyed college. Still have debt but it was a good time to be there and I learned a lot.

Great for you. Have you done a cost benefit analysis to gauge if it was worth it?

I'm not an economist.

it is his decision and reasoning as to whether it was worth it...not your own objective standards...he decides the reasons and their priorities.