Posted by tangplay on 2/7/2019 10:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 10:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/7/2019 10:19:00 AM (view original):
Fwiw, I enjoyed college. Still have debt but it was a good time to be there and I learned a lot.

Great for you. Have you done a cost benefit analysis to gauge if it was worth it?

I'm not an economist.

It is not an economics question. It is a question of logic.

no it is a question of individual benefits.

Posted by dino27 on 2/7/2019 10:40:00 AM (view original):
it is his decision and reasoning as to whether it was worth it...not your own objective standards...he decides the reasons and their priorities.

WRONG. Per KO's point we are debating the cost / benefit of education. If he spent $100k to get a degree that garners him a job that only pays him $40k per year with limited upside he may have been better off going to trade school. Tough to gauge when he states that he "enjoyed it". College is not an amusement park.

Posted by dino27 on 2/7/2019 10:42:00 AM (view original):
no it is a question of individual benefits.

LOL? Your posts don't make any sense.

his benefits are for him to decide.

Posted by dino27 on 2/7/2019 10:44:00 AM (view original):
his benefits are for him to decide.

So then why are you opining? Let us chat?

You do realize that you are looking at it in a strictly monetary stance. I didn't go to college for the financial incentive. I went there to learn more about my occupation, meet new people, and enjoy life.

Posted by tangplay on 2/7/2019 10:58:00 AM (view original):
You do realize that you are looking at it in a strictly monetary stance. I didn't go to college for the financial incentive. I went there to learn more about my occupation, meet new people, and enjoy life.

That is fine and you have a safety net. Your parents likely provided housing, food, etc. What if you didn't have that and had to earn money for food and shelter? Would you still spend what you have to meet new people and "enjoy life"? Unlikely. My point is that there is an opportunity cost when you go to college and major in botany or a skill that is not overly marketable and cannot pay for the $150k in debt you took out to garner that degree and to "enjoy life". Your post is most problematic IMO and why your generation many times just doesn't get it.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:37:00 AM (view original):
This will be last the last thing I say about this topic. It is a sad world when defending those who can't defend themselves is considered extremism. We are heading down a very bad and dangerous road. Hopefully, one day the good people of this nation will stop doing such bad. We've had the mass atrocities on native americans, slavery, and now this. When will our country wake up. We have too many good people for such evil to continue to go on.

Coach, most of us here love you. I am quite sure you're a great guy. Here comes the but............

To YOU all abortion is evil. That is what it is. But, to others, there is a variety of legitimate reasons, morally sound reasons, to DECIDE to abort a pregnancy.
A plethora of health issues for one. I KNOW this 1st hand. My youngest daughter just went thru a "high risk" pregnancy. (Yes, I'm a grandpa again!)
It was touch and go from the git-go. I won't go into the various reasons or issues, but the result was the pregnancy was "watched" very closely. Many many tests of differing types to check on status. BOTH the Mother and the Baby. There was a high chance of some sort of "issue", some that COULD seriously affect the Fetus. HAD a test revealed a serious problem that would have resulted in a "condition" rendering the birthed baby a horrid lifestyle (or WORSE!) a decision would likely have been made to abort the pregnancy. These tests were done thru-out the pregnancy---including into the 3rd term!!

YOU, and your "extreme" position are denying my daughter AND her husband the "right" to choose which of their Fetus's to bring into this world.......... with NO understanding of their specific situation!! Their desire for children was immense. Pregnancy could NOT be achieved easily. It is none of your business to decide THEIR health issues. In short, they now have other "embryos" frozen awaiting usage when and IF they choose to have additional children. They will have more. When is up to them. Every pregnancy will be high risk. You have no business interfering with their Family choices!
My Grandson is awesome! Smartest eyes I've seen in a baby. Takes after his Grandpa!

One last thing. Don't even try and paint this is some rare case of unusual circumstances. It is quite common these days. Millions of families.
Couples who have difficulty conceiving naturally. There are a variety of reasons this occurs. In-Vitro (I think it's called) is now widely used and is a successful procedure to SOLVE the couple's issue and allow them to have babies of their OWN (DNA!).

You really think your GUT moral feeling gives you the right to take that away from my daughter?
I call bullshit!
And would go to war over it-----------just like 1860 all over again.
There are some freedoms that folks will NOT easily give up.
Come TRY and take my gun, for example!

Posted by laramiebob on 2/7/2019 11:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:37:00 AM (view original):
This will be last the last thing I say about this topic. It is a sad world when defending those who can't defend themselves is considered extremism. We are heading down a very bad and dangerous road. Hopefully, one day the good people of this nation will stop doing such bad. We've had the mass atrocities on native americans, slavery, and now this. When will our country wake up. We have too many good people for such evil to continue to go on.

Coach, most of us here love you. I am quite sure you're a great guy. Here comes the but............

To YOU all abortion is evil. That is what it is. But, to others, there is a variety of legitimate reasons, morally sound reasons, to DECIDE to abort a pregnancy.
A plethora of health issues for one. I KNOW this 1st hand. My youngest daughter just went thru a "high risk" pregnancy. (Yes, I'm a grandpa again!)
It was touch and go from the git-go. I won't go into the various reasons or issues, but the result was the pregnancy was "watched" very closely. Many many tests of differing types to check on status. BOTH the Mother and the Baby. There was a high chance of some sort of "issue", some that COULD seriously affect the Fetus. HAD a test revealed a serious problem that would have resulted in a "condition" rendering the birthed baby a horrid lifestyle (or WORSE!) a decision would likely have been made to abort the pregnancy. These tests were done thru-out the pregnancy---including into the 3rd term!!

YOU, and your "extreme" position are denying my daughter AND her husband the "right" to choose which of their Fetus's to bring into this world.......... with NO understanding of their specific situation!! Their desire for children was immense. Pregnancy could NOT be achieved easily. It is none of your business to deice THEIR health issues. In short, they now have other "embryos" frozen awaiting usage when and IF they choose to have additional children. They will have more. When is up to them. Every pregnancy will be high risk. You have no business interfering with their Family choices!
My Grandson is awesome! Smartest eyes I've seen in a baby. Takes after his Grandpa!

One last thing. Don't even try and paint this is some rare case of unusual circumstances. It is quite common these days. Millions of families.
Couples who have difficulty conceiving naturally. There are a variety of reasons this occurs. In-Vitro (I think it's called) is now widely used and is a successful procedure to SOLVE the couple's issue and allow them to have babies of their OWN (DNA!).

You really think your GUT moral feeling gives you the right to take that away from my daughter?
I call bullshit!
And would go to war over it-----------just like 1860 all over again.
There are some freedoms that folks will NOT easily give up.
Come TRY and take my gun, for example!

How can you, I, KO or bad luck opine here? There aren't any laws that force us, males (although I am not sure about bad luck) to do something with our bodies that we don't want to do. I am pro choice for that reason and that reason alone. That being said, I am against late term abortions unless they pose a risk for the mother. I am also troubled when people use abortions as a means of birth control but it is what it is. I understand KO's passion but I would like to hear a female's POV.

Posted by tangplay on 2/7/2019 10:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/7/2019 9:21:00 AM (view original):
Eliminate the Department of Education and I'm good.

Meh. I'm fine with the DOE, less fine with the person running it.

To be clear, I'm not against public education. I am against the Federal, bureaucratic, corrupt, radical interest-driven money suck that is the DOE.

Me too, I mused that I wished we had some female voices here pages ago.
I tend to agree with you Boris. Men can NOT fully understand what a woman goes thru when faced with reproductive choices. All we put into the "miracle" is a little seed, and we tend to enjoy that part. Women do the rest. It's THEIR health issue, not ours. It's the highest of arrogance in my view to be telling them what to do with their bodies and limited reproductive time and lifetime!

late term abortions are extremely rare.......i dont know the stat but very very rare.
how many people who have miscarriages name the fetus and bury it in a cemetary..not sure but i guess rarely.

Education begins in the home. A rounded education should include some higher learning to increase reading, writing, and critical thinking skills.
There are a variety of ways to achieve this. Once done, specialized learning is appropriate. Like trade schools, apprenticeships, etc. They are super for specific skill learning. BUT, in today's world you still (MUST have) need good communication skills to succeed at the highest levels. You get that level of education by including some quality higher education source. Interacting with vibrant professors and thirsty fellow students just multiplies how much and how quickly you learn. One good instructor can motivate you for your entire lifetime.

Posted by laramiebob on 2/7/2019 11:29:00 AM (view original):
Me too, I mused that I wished we had some female voices here pages ago.
I tend to agree with you Boris. Men can NOT fully understand what a woman goes thru when faced with reproductive choices. All we put into the "miracle" is a little seed, and we tend to enjoy that part. Women do the rest. It's THEIR health issue, not ours. It's the highest of arrogance in my view to be telling them what to do with their bodies and limited reproductive time and lifetime!

Exactly. Hey, we agree!!!! Hell is freezing over.