Here’s the N.Y. law that Trump was referring to the other night:

The New York law allows for women after 24 weeks of pregnancy to get an abortion if “there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

I’m fine with that standard.

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 2:34:00 PM (view original):
But “after 20 weeks” includes 21 and 22 and 23. They don’t specificy so it’s a bad source for this discussion.

You said NEVER....I doubt the answer is NEVER.

They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

These reasons are the same whether it is week 20 or week 30.

No one gets to week 30 and then has a voluntary abortion. It just doesn’t happen.

If you you want to outlaw voluntary abortions at 30 weeks, I’m fine with it.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 2:38:00 PM (view original):
Here’s the N.Y. law that Trump was referring to the other night:

The New York law allows for women after 24 weeks of pregnancy to get an abortion if “there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

I’m fine with that standard.

Here's one of the first times where I agree with BL.

How many weeks???

Does it even matter? Why should anyone other than a Doctor and his patient(s) get to decide the viability of a particular fetus?
Whose business is it whether the medical act (abortion) happened at 21 weeks or 31 weeks?

Trust the Mother/Doctor, Not some outside arbitrary determinate having NOTHING to do with health or the practice of medicine.
Don't allow me a say so in whether or not your daughter can choose a medical procedure. I might be an extremist and say NO!

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Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 2:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 2:34:00 PM (view original):
But “after 20 weeks” includes 21 and 22 and 23. They don’t specificy so it’s a bad source for this discussion.

You said NEVER....I doubt the answer is NEVER.

They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

These reasons are the same whether it is week 20 or week 30.

No one gets to week 30 and then has a voluntary abortion. It just doesn’t happen.

If you you want to outlaw voluntary abortions at 30 weeks, I’m fine with it.

Thank you

edit: I don't want to outlaw anything. You just said the baby depends on the mother but at week 30 they don't. All I was saying.

We got off the education topic real quick.

Posted by tangplay on 2/7/2019 3:45:00 PM (view original):
We got off the education topic real quick.

Yeah. Not polarizing enough it seems.

Hard NOT to support education. It's kind of a larn 'em or else proposition.

Posted by tangplay on 2/7/2019 3:45:00 PM (view original):
We got off the education topic real quick.

Yep, looks like the abortion topic should have been allotted 2 days. That's fine. It's an important topic.

If you want polarizing debate our healthcare system and the free healthcare for all. And I mean “free”....

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 10:17:00 AM (view original):
Late term abortions almost never happen. When they do, it’s because there is a problem with the pregnancy.

If your argument is that abortions after viability should be outlawed, I’m telling you that you’d only be outlawing abortions that are medically necessary.

Do you understand?

If medically necessary then they should happen but you missed my overall point. YOU ALWAYS ARGUE based on rare cases. ALWAYS. Like the trans in bathroom cases or playing sports. I am saying late term abortions can happen and are allowed. Do you think they should be if NOT for medical reasons even in rare cases. Yes or No? Seems simple. Just respond with one word.

1) You don't get to demand how I answer your questions.

2) If someone is arguing that abortion (or anything) should never, under any circumstance, be allowed, it makes sense to ask about extreme examples.

3) At the same time, if I'm arguing that abortion should always be allowed, it's fair for you to bring up extreme examples going the other way.

So my answer to your question of whether or not we should allow abortions past 24 (or whatever) weeks is yes because those abortions are never "I really can't raise a kid right now this was a huge mistake" abortions. They are always, "ma'am we have terrible news, the test came back..." abortions.

You're wrong again! Shocking, I know.

Results: Women aged 20–24 were more likely than those aged 25–34 to have a later abortion (odds ratio, 2.7), and women who discovered their pregnancy before eight weeks’ gestation were less likely than others to do so (0.1). Later abortion recipients experienced logistical delays (e.g., difficulty finding a provider and raising funds for the procedure and travel costs), which compounded other delays in receiving care. Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

20 weeks is still pre-viability. Viability is between 24 and 26 weeks, depending on the size of the fetus.

AFTER 20 weeks....not just 20 weeks. Sorry, your argument doesn't fly.

What badluck said about viability 24 - 26 weeks is correct.

Posted by laramiebob on 2/7/2019 2:44:00 PM (view original):
How many weeks???

Does it even matter? Why should anyone other than a Doctor and his patient(s) get to decide the viability of a particular fetus?
Whose business is it whether the medical act (abortion) happened at 21 weeks or 31 weeks?

Trust the Mother/Doctor, Not some outside arbitrary determinate having NOTHING to do with health or the practice of medicine.
Don't allow me a say so in whether or not your daughter can choose a medical procedure. I might be an extremist and say NO!

Bob, it is quite sleazy of you to constantly call people who care about and have compassion for children extremists and to say that they are on the alt-right. I would have thought better of you than this. You have constantly called me an extremist throughout the debate and said that my language is inflammatory.

Protecting children is not an extreme stance nor does the responsibility only lie with the mother of the child. If you want to argue that it is not a child, that is fine. That is Dino's argument. I disagree, but he is entitled to it. But to call people looking through a lens of compassion at a situation extremist is quite scummy of you.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 5:16:00 PM (view original):
If you want polarizing debate our healthcare system and the free healthcare for all. And I mean “free”....

who among us would say they don't want free healthcare?? But somebody would be paying for it, so it is not free.

I think that was the point of his "..".

I keep starting to make a comment on the abortion issue, and then I remember I said I wouldn't. It serves no purpose. People believe what they believe. especially on this subject. Nothing anyone says is going to change anyone else's mind. I can see and understand both sides of the debate. That is all I will say about that.

Let's debate where Bryce Harper should sign, and why whatever he signs for will be more than he deserves.