Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 6:56:00 PM (view original):
I think that was the point of his "..".

you haven't learned by now that cccp is pretty much pointless??




I kid!

Bryce Harper can sign in the Australian league for all I care. I am not a fan of the guy.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/7/2019 6:58:00 PM (view original):
I keep starting to make a comment on the abortion issue, and then I remember I said I wouldn't. It serves no purpose. People believe what they believe. especially on this subject. Nothing anyone says is going to change anyone else's mind. I can see and understand both sides of the debate. That is all I will say about that.

Let's debate where Bryce Harper should sign, and why whatever he signs for will be more than he deserves.

I think this is true for most debates, but I still think it's healthy for the country if done in a civilized manner.

Posted by dino27 on 2/7/2019 6:44:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 10:17:00 AM (view original):
Late term abortions almost never happen. When they do, it’s because there is a problem with the pregnancy.

If your argument is that abortions after viability should be outlawed, I’m telling you that you’d only be outlawing abortions that are medically necessary.

Do you understand?

If medically necessary then they should happen but you missed my overall point. YOU ALWAYS ARGUE based on rare cases. ALWAYS. Like the trans in bathroom cases or playing sports. I am saying late term abortions can happen and are allowed. Do you think they should be if NOT for medical reasons even in rare cases. Yes or No? Seems simple. Just respond with one word.

1) You don't get to demand how I answer your questions.

2) If someone is arguing that abortion (or anything) should never, under any circumstance, be allowed, it makes sense to ask about extreme examples.

3) At the same time, if I'm arguing that abortion should always be allowed, it's fair for you to bring up extreme examples going the other way.

So my answer to your question of whether or not we should allow abortions past 24 (or whatever) weeks is yes because those abortions are never "I really can't raise a kid right now this was a huge mistake" abortions. They are always, "ma'am we have terrible news, the test came back..." abortions.

You're wrong again! Shocking, I know.

Results: Women aged 20–24 were more likely than those aged 25–34 to have a later abortion (odds ratio, 2.7), and women who discovered their pregnancy before eight weeks’ gestation were less likely than others to do so (0.1). Later abortion recipients experienced logistical delays (e.g., difficulty finding a provider and raising funds for the procedure and travel costs), which compounded other delays in receiving care. Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

20 weeks is still pre-viability. Viability is between 24 and 26 weeks, depending on the size of the fetus.

AFTER 20 weeks....not just 20 weeks. Sorry, your argument doesn't fly.

What badluck said about viability 24 - 26 weeks is correct.

You’re a moron. Honestly.

didn't strikeout ask for civilized debate?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/7/2019 6:58:00 PM (view original):
I keep starting to make a comment on the abortion issue, and then I remember I said I wouldn't. It serves no purpose. People believe what they believe. especially on this subject. Nothing anyone says is going to change anyone else's mind. I can see and understand both sides of the debate. That is all I will say about that.

Let's debate where Bryce Harper should sign, and why whatever he signs for will be more than he deserves.

I think this is true for most debates, but I still think it's healthy for the country if done in a civilized manner.

I think it is even more true than most issues for abortion. It just seems to get people more passionate than say a debate about healthcare...or education

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:01:00 PM (view original):
Bryce Harper can sign in the Australian league for all I care. I am not a fan of the guy.

me neither, but I am still curious to see where he signs. If he signs with one of teams I like, I could become a bigger fan. (I doubt he will sign with either Yankees or the Giants, my 2 favorite teams)

Posted by wylie715 on 2/7/2019 7:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/7/2019 6:58:00 PM (view original):
I keep starting to make a comment on the abortion issue, and then I remember I said I wouldn't. It serves no purpose. People believe what they believe. especially on this subject. Nothing anyone says is going to change anyone else's mind. I can see and understand both sides of the debate. That is all I will say about that.

Let's debate where Bryce Harper should sign, and why whatever he signs for will be more than he deserves.

I think this is true for most debates, but I still think it's healthy for the country if done in a civilized manner.

I think it is even more true than most issues for abortion. It just seems to get people more passionate than say a debate about healthcare...or education

I agree. I am passionate about children's welfare in general, but no one is going to argue with me if I say a 3 month old's life has value.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 7:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 2/7/2019 6:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 2:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 2:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 2:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/7/2019 10:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/7/2019 10:17:00 AM (view original):
Late term abortions almost never happen. When they do, it’s because there is a problem with the pregnancy.

If your argument is that abortions after viability should be outlawed, I’m telling you that you’d only be outlawing abortions that are medically necessary.

Do you understand?

If medically necessary then they should happen but you missed my overall point. YOU ALWAYS ARGUE based on rare cases. ALWAYS. Like the trans in bathroom cases or playing sports. I am saying late term abortions can happen and are allowed. Do you think they should be if NOT for medical reasons even in rare cases. Yes or No? Seems simple. Just respond with one word.

1) You don't get to demand how I answer your questions.

2) If someone is arguing that abortion (or anything) should never, under any circumstance, be allowed, it makes sense to ask about extreme examples.

3) At the same time, if I'm arguing that abortion should always be allowed, it's fair for you to bring up extreme examples going the other way.

So my answer to your question of whether or not we should allow abortions past 24 (or whatever) weeks is yes because those abortions are never "I really can't raise a kid right now this was a huge mistake" abortions. They are always, "ma'am we have terrible news, the test came back..." abortions.

You're wrong again! Shocking, I know.

Results: Women aged 20–24 were more likely than those aged 25–34 to have a later abortion (odds ratio, 2.7), and women who discovered their pregnancy before eight weeks’ gestation were less likely than others to do so (0.1). Later abortion recipients experienced logistical delays (e.g., difficulty finding a provider and raising funds for the procedure and travel costs), which compounded other delays in receiving care. Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

20 weeks is still pre-viability. Viability is between 24 and 26 weeks, depending on the size of the fetus.

AFTER 20 weeks....not just 20 weeks. Sorry, your argument doesn't fly.

What badluck said about viability 24 - 26 weeks is correct.

You’re a moron. Honestly.

what badluck said is correct.
lol at you.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/7/2019 7:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 7:01:00 PM (view original):
Bryce Harper can sign in the Australian league for all I care. I am not a fan of the guy.

me neither, but I am still curious to see where he signs. If he signs with one of teams I like, I could become a bigger fan. (I doubt he will sign with either Yankees or the Giants, my 2 favorite teams)

If he signed with the Yankees, would that be the most talented outfield in baseball history?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/7/2019 6:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 2/7/2019 2:44:00 PM (view original):
How many weeks???

Does it even matter? Why should anyone other than a Doctor and his patient(s) get to decide the viability of a particular fetus?
Whose business is it whether the medical act (abortion) happened at 21 weeks or 31 weeks?

Trust the Mother/Doctor, Not some outside arbitrary determinate having NOTHING to do with health or the practice of medicine.
Don't allow me a say so in whether or not your daughter can choose a medical procedure. I might be an extremist and say NO!

Bob, it is quite sleazy of you to constantly call people who care about and have compassion for children extremists and to say that they are on the alt-right. I would have thought better of you than this. You have constantly called me an extremist throughout the debate and said that my language is inflammatory.

Protecting children is not an extreme stance nor does the responsibility only lie with the mother of the child. If you want to argue that it is not a child, that is fine. That is Dino's argument. I disagree, but he is entitled to it. But to call people looking through a lens of compassion at a situation extremist is quite scummy of you.

Fine, Call me scummy if you want. YOU were the one that referred to the opposing viewpoint as "sick".
My daughter is NOT sick and wouldn't have been sick had she chosen to abort her fetus due to some serious medical defect.

YOUR position on this issue IS extreme in my view. You don't have the right to deny others their own medical choices.
It's simply wrong. Thus your position is an extreme position-------- the denying of another person full and complete medical care!

I TRIED to explain it to you, but you still insist that NO abortions are moral and proper. I KNOW different as I have been educated about SOME high risk pregnancies and their complications. IMO it is YOU who is the scumbag. Trying to deny my daughter her right to safely birth children!!
Shame on You. You're not only wrong, you're an *******!

I thought better of you.

please get to the point.

I'm glad to know that you think people who value all life are ********. That really says a lot about you.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/7/2019 6:58:00 PM (view original):
I keep starting to make a comment on the abortion issue, and then I remember I said I wouldn't. It serves no purpose. People believe what they believe. especially on this subject. Nothing anyone says is going to change anyone else's mind. I can see and understand both sides of the debate. That is all I will say about that.

Let's debate where Bryce Harper should sign, and why whatever he signs for will be more than he deserves.

Teams should be falling all over themselves for Harper and Machado. That they aren’t signed less than a week before pitchers and catchers report is insane.

I don't know what Machado's asking price is, but $400M is quite steep for an .850 OPS guy.