Posted by wylie715 on 2/8/2019 6:32:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by wylie715 on 2/8/2019 3:33:00 PM (view original):
so, why should they pay taxes again on any amount whether it is $10 million or $50 million, if I already paid taxes on the money?

Why do I have to pay taxes on my income when the people who buy from me already paid taxes on the money they are paying me?

Because we tax money when it moves from person to person.

what do you mean "we"? I don't tax anything. (Except my wife's patience one in a while). And again, just because that is how it is done, that does not make it right. Also, people are paying you for whatever service you are providing. If I leave money to my kids, they are not purchasing anything from me. It is not the same.

“We” as in the United States.

Just because you dont don’t like it, doesn’t make it wrong.

Again, you and I and everyone else has to pay taxes on the money we earn. It makes sense to also tax people who have tremendous wealth dropped into their laps.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):
I'm not sure why you hate the wealthy so much.

And just to save time in this before you start in with the "I don't". You want to cap wealth. You don't believe anyone, regardless of what they produce should have over a certain amount. You don't believe anyone should make over $10M per year. You don't think anyone should inherit more than $5M.

It looks like jealousy to me.

Inherit as much as you want. Just pay taxes on the amounts above the estate tax threshold.

And what is this arbitrary threshold and arbitrary tax rate?

Also, you still didn't explain why you have such a disdain for the wealthy.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 7:03:00 PM (view original):
And what is this arbitrary threshold and arbitrary tax rate?

Also, you still didn't explain why you have such a disdain for the wealthy.

I don’t have disdain for the wealthy. I have disdain for people who argue that it’s theft to tax high incomes at high(er) income tax brackets.

I’m actually much more sympathetic to the “I earned it, I should get to keep it argument.” But I disagree. Collecting higher percentages of higher incomes is a better way to tax. The money has less utility to the person earning it and it allows us to tax lower incomes less. Also, we’re all better off if there is less concentration of wealth at the very top of the income scale.

The argument “my daddy earned it so I should get to keep all of it completely tax free,” does nothing for me.

You do have a disdain for the wealthy. You have already essentially said that you don't believe anyone should be able to make more $10M/year.

And here's the thing, it's not all concentrated at the top. It's fluid. 3 of the top 4 richest Americans came from middle class families. 7 of the top 10 came from middle class families. America is great because this is possible. There is always room for a new crop at the top. The socialist views expounded by the left kill these opportunities. Socialism is thievery. A 99% tax bracket at any level is thievery. America is great because it presents equal opportunity for everyone.

Wanting to take what the wealthy has is pure jealousy. If you don't like being poor do what it takes to make a good living. I won't cover what those are because we all already know what those are. There is no guarantee that you will be Warren Buffet rich, but you sure as heck won't be poor.

The truth is that if you are poor temporarily it's misfortune. If you're poor for life, it's because you are bad money. There are too many opportunities in America for someone to be poor for life.

its not where wealth comes from

its who it goes to

my opinion its a sad country that transfers wealth from dudes who invented sh*t managed sh*t earned sh*t built sh*t

to their lazy lackadaisy layabout craphead dope smokin vegas goin or lets just say average kids

give em a million apiece that's $40K a year for life from the age of 1

the rest goes back to the nation

kings are kings. princes can suck it

Do you really think people smart enough to accumulate that kind of wealth aren't going to be smart enough to find things like join holdings to make sure their designees get the $, even if such an utterly ridiculous law is in place?

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Posted by bronxcheer on 2/7/2019 3:24:00 AM (view original):
Last night , Trump said :

“We will never be a socialist country” in a taxpayer funded building , to a tax payer funded congress , to the heads of the greatest socialist funded military the world has ever known. This comes after he gave 12 billion in socialism to farmers and demanded billions for a socialist wall.

Yup.

This.

Fox News and republicans have spent so much time calling people like Obama, who was slightly left of Nixon, dangerous socialists that now that actual left policies are coming out....theyre not prepared.

I'm sorry, why shouldn't we tax the ultra rich? Most of us know the difference between making 35k/year....to 75/k......to 250k.....to 10m. And most of us ain't making 75k.

Ummm....Because it's a form of thievery. Just because some people have more than others doesn't give people with less the right to take it.

Are you seriously making the 'tAxAtIoN iS vIoLeNcE' argument?

No, taxation is necessary to fund vital aspects of a country. Socialism is immoral and thievery. There is a distinct difference.

If 3 people are in a room and one person has $10 while the other 2 have $2, they can't vote to take the $10 from the guy and distribute it evenly. That's theft despite the fact that it's what the majority wanted.

It doesn't matter whether the guy inherited his $10 or worked for it, the other people still don't have the right to take it.

If those people in the room wanted to buy something, it would be more fair for everyone to put in half of what they have, rather than everyone putting in the same amount.

How? I work hard for my $10. How is it more fair for me to put in $5 and you and all3 to only contribute $1? You have no right to the money that I earned.

Here's the thing about taxes, they are a necessary evil. They are a legal form of theft. The government produces nothing. The government should take the bare minimum to function.

Every able-bodied adult has the opportunity to earn a living in America. They don't have a need for unearned handouts from the government. I know you think I am harsh for this belief. I understand why you think that. I appreciate your compassion for people. I hope you never lose that. But my view is actually a view of optimism. I believe that everyone is capable of success. I believe in personal responsibility. I think highly of people. If you are permanently poor, you mismanaged your money and your life. We shouldn't punish those who produce and have been wise. That is a terrible and immoral thing to do. Progressive tax rates punish success.

My only exception is for children. Children are unable to fend for themselves. If they draw a crappy lot and get crappy parents, that is not their fault. I believe that the initial responsibility falls on the shoulders of the community, but if the community fails them then someone has to step in. This is why I am okay with programs like WIC.

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Posted by bronxcheer on 2/8/2019 9:57:00 AM (view original):
Or inherited it

So when people die, you want to dictate what happens to their $ instead of honoring their wishes?
Inherited $ was still earned by somebody at some point, yes, unless it's Lottery $.

Great. Why should their kids get a huge advantage because their fathers were rich?

Because that’s the reason their parents work so hard. I work Hard so that my kids may have a better life. What a stupid statement that was Tangplay. Idiotic even. I work hard for my kids. Why is that wrong? I dont work hard so that lazy losers can take my hard earned earnings.

Yeah, your kids should get an advantage, but they shouldn't be tax free.

Why? I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you, I'm just curious why you feel that money should be taxed.

the government produces nothing

so civilization and wealth is nothing

traffic lights are oppressors

how i hate it when the county fills pot holes and i get to work in twenty minutes in a car

give me a horse and some oats and a hour

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:27:00 PM (view original):
How? I work hard for my $10. How is it more fair for me to put in $5 and you and all3 to only contribute $1? You have no right to the money that I earned.

Here's the thing about taxes, they are a necessary evil. They are a legal form of theft. The government produces nothing. The government should take the bare minimum to function.

Every able-bodied adult has the opportunity to earn a living in America. They don't have a need for unearned handouts from the government. I know you think I am harsh for this belief. I understand why you think that. I appreciate your compassion for people. I hope you never lose that. But my view is actually a view of optimism. I believe that everyone is capable of success. I believe in personal responsibility. I think highly of people. If you are permanently poor, you mismanaged your money and your life. We shouldn't punish those who produce and have been wise. That is a terrible and immoral thing to do. Progressive tax rates punish success.

My only exception is for children. Children are unable to fend for themselves. If they draw a crappy lot and get crappy parents, that is not their fault. I believe that the initial responsibility falls on the shoulders of the community, but if the community fails them then someone has to step in. This is why I am okay with programs like WIC.

You aren't giving that money to me, we are buying something that we all benefit from. But we should pay the same proportionally, not in wealth.

If we all put in half, that's $7. If we all put in two dollars, that's $6 and all3 and I are out of money. You would still be in the better position.

I believe everyone has opportunity in America, but not everyone has equal opportunity. It's not a punishment to those who succeed, it is them paying their fair share. It's not like I am arguing to make the rich suddenly poor. The rich are still better off.

Children who draw a crappy lot should get boosted but children who draw a great lot should not have to pay taxes?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:35:00 PM (view original):
Why? I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you, I'm just curious why you feel that money should be taxed.

Taxation is good because it helps pay for necessary social programs that everyone benefits from.