Posted by bad_luck on 2/9/2019 9:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 9:39:00 AM (view original):
So, you think the rich should be compelled at gun point to hand over what they have, so that our government can redistribute it? That is socialism and theft.

I understand your argument. You can repeat it all you want. It will still be theft and I will disagree with it.

You’re completely irrational.

Paying taxes when you live here is part of the deal. It’s not gunpoint. They are free to leave.

I'm not irrational. What is irrational is capping wealth (i.e. a 99% tax bracket). Everyone agrees that taxes are a necessity. We have a need for a military. We have a need for a police force. We need those to protect our basic rights. Redistribution of wealth are not the principles that our country was founded upon. Our country is founded upon opportunity. With the opportunity to succeed comes the opportunity to fail. You know that. I know that. There is nothing irrational in that thought.

On a side note, is it true that CA voted against "medicare for all" because it would have doubled the state's deficit?

Hey bad luck how did your taxes do this year since your deduction for state, local and property taxes was capped at $10k in your very expensive state?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 10:06:00 AM (view original):
On a side note, is it true that CA voted against "medicare for all" because it would have doubled the state's deficit?

Botox, boob-jobs and face-lifts get expensive.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/9/2019 9:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:27:00 PM (view original):
How? I work hard for my $10. How is it more fair for me to put in $5 and you and all3 to only contribute $1? You have no right to the money that I earned.

Here's the thing about taxes, they are a necessary evil. They are a legal form of theft. The government produces nothing. The government should take the bare minimum to function.

Every able-bodied adult has the opportunity to earn a living in America. They don't have a need for unearned handouts from the government. I know you think I am harsh for this belief. I understand why you think that. I appreciate your compassion for people. I hope you never lose that. But my view is actually a view of optimism. I believe that everyone is capable of success. I believe in personal responsibility. I think highly of people. If you are permanently poor, you mismanaged your money and your life. We shouldn't punish those who produce and have been wise. That is a terrible and immoral thing to do. Progressive tax rates punish success.

My only exception is for children. Children are unable to fend for themselves. If they draw a crappy lot and get crappy parents, that is not their fault. I believe that the initial responsibility falls on the shoulders of the community, but if the community fails them then someone has to step in. This is why I am okay with programs like WIC.

You aren't giving that money to me, we are buying something that we all benefit from. But we should pay the same proportionally, not in wealth.

If we all put in half, that's $7. If we all put in two dollars, that's $6 and all3 and I are out of money. You would still be in the better position.

I believe everyone has opportunity in America, but not everyone has equal opportunity. It's not a punishment to those who succeed, it is them paying their fair share. It's not like I am arguing to make the rich suddenly poor. The rich are still better off.

Children who draw a crappy lot should get boosted but children who draw a great lot should not have to pay taxes?

Why should everyone have equal opportunity? That’s silly. Everyone has equal rights but opportunities will never be equal.

Sure, some inequality is good. I think opportunity is too unequal.

In what areas is opportunity unequal and how do you fix it?

You have said education in the past, but everyone gets 13 years of free schooling. If you take the last 4 of those 13 seriously, you can get at least 4 more for free at very prestigious schools.

So, since everyone has equal access to education, what other areas of opportunity are not equal?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 9:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/9/2019 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 12:07:00 AM (view original):
Everyone? Which social programs do the middle class benefit from. They don't get any welfare assistance or health insurance subsidies, and people lose money with social security. So which social programs do the middle class benefit from?

By the way, the term "fair share" is absolute bullshit. Even B_L agrees with that. If I have contributed $100k and you contribute $100 who has paid their fair share. And don't give me that crap about the wealthy have more to give.

There are different arguments for what is fair. Fair could mean the exact same dollar amount regardless of income.

Fair it could be the same percentage of income.

Or fair could be the way we do it now, where we collect higher percentages of money with less utility to the person who made it.

Are you retracting previous statements? You've already said in the past that you don't think it's fair, but fair is not the objective for you, effective is. Which one is it?

I think what I said was that I’m not interested in being fair.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/9/2019 10:29:00 AM (view original):
Hey bad luck how did your taxes do this year since your deduction for state, local and property taxes was capped at $10k in your very expensive state?

The SALT changes didn’t impact us.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/9/2019 9:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 9:39:00 AM (view original):
So, you think the rich should be compelled at gun point to hand over what they have, so that our government can redistribute it? That is socialism and theft.

I understand your argument. You can repeat it all you want. It will still be theft and I will disagree with it.

You’re completely irrational.

Paying taxes when you live here is part of the deal. It’s not gunpoint. They are free to leave.

I'm not irrational. What is irrational is capping wealth (i.e. a 99% tax bracket). Everyone agrees that taxes are a necessity. We have a need for a military. We have a need for a police force. We need those to protect our basic rights. Redistribution of wealth are not the principles that our country was founded upon. Our country is founded upon opportunity. With the opportunity to succeed comes the opportunity to fail. You know that. I know that. There is nothing irrational in that thought.

No one is seriously suggesting a 99% bracket.

The irrational part is claiming taxes are theft. Congress has the power to tax. It is well within their power to use tax dollars for Medicare or education or social safety nets. To claim otherwise is to be completely out of touch with reality.

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 10:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/9/2019 9:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:27:00 PM (view original):
How? I work hard for my $10. How is it more fair for me to put in $5 and you and all3 to only contribute $1? You have no right to the money that I earned.

Here's the thing about taxes, they are a necessary evil. They are a legal form of theft. The government produces nothing. The government should take the bare minimum to function.

Every able-bodied adult has the opportunity to earn a living in America. They don't have a need for unearned handouts from the government. I know you think I am harsh for this belief. I understand why you think that. I appreciate your compassion for people. I hope you never lose that. But my view is actually a view of optimism. I believe that everyone is capable of success. I believe in personal responsibility. I think highly of people. If you are permanently poor, you mismanaged your money and your life. We shouldn't punish those who produce and have been wise. That is a terrible and immoral thing to do. Progressive tax rates punish success.

My only exception is for children. Children are unable to fend for themselves. If they draw a crappy lot and get crappy parents, that is not their fault. I believe that the initial responsibility falls on the shoulders of the community, but if the community fails them then someone has to step in. This is why I am okay with programs like WIC.

You aren't giving that money to me, we are buying something that we all benefit from. But we should pay the same proportionally, not in wealth.

If we all put in half, that's $7. If we all put in two dollars, that's $6 and all3 and I are out of money. You would still be in the better position.

I believe everyone has opportunity in America, but not everyone has equal opportunity. It's not a punishment to those who succeed, it is them paying their fair share. It's not like I am arguing to make the rich suddenly poor. The rich are still better off.

Children who draw a crappy lot should get boosted but children who draw a great lot should not have to pay taxes?

Why should everyone have equal opportunity? That’s silly. Everyone has equal rights but opportunities will never be equal.

Sure, some inequality is good. I think opportunity is too unequal.

Is it unfair that Gronk was born 6’7 with elite athleticism and charisma? Plays in the NFL, gets a ton of endorsements, dates super models, etc. Not fair tang wants that too. Equal opportunities are impossible. We are all born with certain advantages and disadvantages.

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:18:00 AM (view original):
Education and infrastructure are two.

Proportional paying is better than just paying the same amount.

yeah, but the public education system and the infrastructure in this ountry have been going downhill for a while. Unfortunately, that is not where most of our taxes are going.

"Equal opportunities are impossible. We are all born with certain advantages and disadvantages."

Many of you are reminded of that fact every time you ****.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/9/2019 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:18:00 AM (view original):
Education and infrastructure are two.

Proportional paying is better than just paying the same amount.

yeah, but the public education system and the infrastructure in this ountry have been going downhill for a while. Unfortunately, that is not where most of our taxes are going.

Maybe we should make individual Politicians foot the bill when they start a witch-hunt investigation that yields absolutely nothing. That would certainly cut-down on what this Country wastes catering to Political agendas.

like that guy gowdy and bengazzi witch hunt ?

WHATS A MATTA Union ?