Posted by all3 on 2/9/2019 4:55:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:18:00 AM (view original):
Education and infrastructure are two.

Proportional paying is better than just paying the same amount.

yeah, but the public education system and the infrastructure in this ountry have been going downhill for a while. Unfortunately, that is not where most of our taxes are going.

Maybe we should make individual Politicians foot the bill when they start a witch-hunt investigation that yields absolutely nothing. That would certainly cut-down on what this Country wastes catering to Political agendas.

Geez the Benghazi bill would be way to big for anyone to pay.

Also, does Mueller get to keep the profits from his investigation that has returned dozens of indictments including the President’s campaign chair, the president’s personal attorney, and one of the president’s political advisors?

so whats the chart for golfing now..trump vs obama.

also has trump yet proven that he is not a racist ?

and where are the birth certificates that prove who his family members are.
they could be russian spies.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 10:44:00 AM (view original):
In what areas is opportunity unequal and how do you fix it?

You have said education in the past, but everyone gets 13 years of free schooling. If you take the last 4 of those 13 seriously, you can get at least 4 more for free at very prestigious schools.

So, since everyone has equal access to education, what other areas of opportunity are not equal?

Are you seriously arguing that opportunity is equal in America?

Schools are not equal. Some schools are better than others. In my district, there were about 6 elementary schools, but by the time we got to high school, everyone on the basketball team and almost all the starters in football were from just two schools. Those schools happened to be the ones that recieved the most funding. Schools are primarily funded by property taxes. The richer an area is, the more likely they are to have a better school.

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Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:27:00 PM (view original):
How? I work hard for my $10. How is it more fair for me to put in $5 and you and all3 to only contribute $1? You have no right to the money that I earned.

Here's the thing about taxes, they are a necessary evil. They are a legal form of theft. The government produces nothing. The government should take the bare minimum to function.

Every able-bodied adult has the opportunity to earn a living in America. They don't have a need for unearned handouts from the government. I know you think I am harsh for this belief. I understand why you think that. I appreciate your compassion for people. I hope you never lose that. But my view is actually a view of optimism. I believe that everyone is capable of success. I believe in personal responsibility. I think highly of people. If you are permanently poor, you mismanaged your money and your life. We shouldn't punish those who produce and have been wise. That is a terrible and immoral thing to do. Progressive tax rates punish success.

My only exception is for children. Children are unable to fend for themselves. If they draw a crappy lot and get crappy parents, that is not their fault. I believe that the initial responsibility falls on the shoulders of the community, but if the community fails them then someone has to step in. This is why I am okay with programs like WIC.

You aren't giving that money to me, we are buying something that we all benefit from. But we should pay the same proportionally, not in wealth.

If we all put in half, that's $7. If we all put in two dollars, that's $6 and all3 and I are out of money. You would still be in the better position.

I believe everyone has opportunity in America, but not everyone has equal opportunity. It's not a punishment to those who succeed, it is them paying their fair share. It's not like I am arguing to make the rich suddenly poor. The rich are still better off.

Children who draw a crappy lot should get boosted but children who draw a great lot should not have to pay taxes?

Why should everyone have equal opportunity? That’s silly. Everyone has equal rights but opportunities will never be equal.

Sure, some inequality is good. I think opportunity is too unequal.

Is it unfair that Gronk was born 6’7 with elite athleticism and charisma? Plays in the NFL, gets a ton of endorsements, dates super models, etc. Not fair tang wants that too. Equal opportunities are impossible. We are all born with certain advantages and disadvantages.

You clearly didn't read the post you quoted.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/9/2019 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:18:00 AM (view original):
Education and infrastructure are two.

Proportional paying is better than just paying the same amount.

yeah, but the public education system and the infrastructure in this ountry have been going downhill for a while. Unfortunately, that is not where most of our taxes are going.

Well, yeah, but those are still valid arguments.

If it suits you, a lot of taxpayer money goes to the military.

Interesting question:
Should you be able to conscientiously object to your tax money going to the military?

Posted by all3 on 2/9/2019 4:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/9/2019 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:18:00 AM (view original):
Education and infrastructure are two.

Proportional paying is better than just paying the same amount.

yeah, but the public education system and the infrastructure in this ountry have been going downhill for a while. Unfortunately, that is not where most of our taxes are going.

Maybe we should make individual Politicians foot the bill when they start a witch-hunt investigation that yields absolutely nothing. That would certainly cut-down on what this Country wastes catering to Political agendas.

All3 is seriously bying Trump's bullshit.

im sure he is talking about bengazi......he is a very objective observer.

if i was a journalist in va i would start looking at the college and grad school yearbooks of every state and federal office holder...

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 5:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 10:44:00 AM (view original):
In what areas is opportunity unequal and how do you fix it?

You have said education in the past, but everyone gets 13 years of free schooling. If you take the last 4 of those 13 seriously, you can get at least 4 more for free at very prestigious schools.

So, since everyone has equal access to education, what other areas of opportunity are not equal?

Are you seriously arguing that opportunity is equal in America?

Schools are not equal. Some schools are better than others. In my district, there were about 6 elementary schools, but by the time we got to high school, everyone on the basketball team and almost all the starters in football were from just two schools. Those schools happened to be the ones that recieved the most funding. Schools are primarily funded by property taxes. The richer an area is, the more likely they are to have a better school.

No, not every public school is equal. You claim it's a lack of funding. I can't confirm or deny as I don't know the budgets per child in each school.

I do know that kids who come from wealthier families tend to be more focused academically than kids who come from poorer families as a general rule. This is indisputable. This is a lot of what you're seeing in the disparity between schools.

but like I said, for whatever reason some schools are better than others. This is why school choice is so vital. In GA, we had charter schools on the ballot a few years back. The left fought them vehemently. Luckily they still passed. I'm not sure why it's a bad thing to have schools for the more determined and ambitious kids. It creates a much cleaner environment for them to learn. once again, school choice is the way to solve your problem. Allow kids to go to the better schools.

We've discussed education. Where else do you think our great country is lacking equal opportunity?

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/9/2019 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:18:00 AM (view original):
Education and infrastructure are two.

Proportional paying is better than just paying the same amount.

yeah, but the public education system and the infrastructure in this ountry have been going downhill for a while. Unfortunately, that is not where most of our taxes are going.

Well, yeah, but those are still valid arguments.

If it suits you, a lot of taxpayer money goes to the military.

Interesting question:
Should you be able to conscientiously object to your tax money going to the military?

For sure. You can consciencely object to your tax dollars going to anything. It would be pointless as the majority of the country realize the necessity of a military, but you can object to whatever you want.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 6:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 5:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 10:44:00 AM (view original):
In what areas is opportunity unequal and how do you fix it?

You have said education in the past, but everyone gets 13 years of free schooling. If you take the last 4 of those 13 seriously, you can get at least 4 more for free at very prestigious schools.

So, since everyone has equal access to education, what other areas of opportunity are not equal?

Are you seriously arguing that opportunity is equal in America?

Schools are not equal. Some schools are better than others. In my district, there were about 6 elementary schools, but by the time we got to high school, everyone on the basketball team and almost all the starters in football were from just two schools. Those schools happened to be the ones that recieved the most funding. Schools are primarily funded by property taxes. The richer an area is, the more likely they are to have a better school.

No, not every public school is equal. You claim it's a lack of funding. I can't confirm or deny as I don't know the budgets per child in each school.

I do know that kids who come from wealthier families tend to be more focused academically than kids who come from poorer families as a general rule. This is indisputable. This is a lot of what you're seeing in the disparity between schools.

but like I said, for whatever reason some schools are better than others. This is why school choice is so vital. In GA, we had charter schools on the ballot a few years back. The left fought them vehemently. Luckily they still passed. I'm not sure why it's a bad thing to have schools for the more determined and ambitious kids. It creates a much cleaner environment for them to learn. once again, school choice is the way to solve your problem. Allow kids to go to the better schools.

We've discussed education. Where else do you think our great country is lacking equal opportunity?

Would the schools with the more determined and ambitious kids get the better teachers?

School choice is good, but some kids are going to have to go to the worst schools, right? Especially those with worse parents, the ones who need the schooling the most? Wouldn't the simpler option be to simply equalize funding for schools?

In general, housing is pretty unequal.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 7:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/9/2019 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:18:00 AM (view original):
Education and infrastructure are two.

Proportional paying is better than just paying the same amount.

yeah, but the public education system and the infrastructure in this ountry have been going downhill for a while. Unfortunately, that is not where most of our taxes are going.

Well, yeah, but those are still valid arguments.

If it suits you, a lot of taxpayer money goes to the military.

Interesting question:
Should you be able to conscientiously object to your tax money going to the military?

For sure. You can consciencely object to your tax dollars going to anything. It would be pointless as the majority of the country realize the necessity of a military, but you can object to whatever you want.

Is that illegal?

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 7:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/9/2019 7:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/9/2019 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/9/2019 12:18:00 AM (view original):
Education and infrastructure are two.

Proportional paying is better than just paying the same amount.

yeah, but the public education system and the infrastructure in this ountry have been going downhill for a while. Unfortunately, that is not where most of our taxes are going.

Well, yeah, but those are still valid arguments.

If it suits you, a lot of taxpayer money goes to the military.

Interesting question:
Should you be able to conscientiously object to your tax money going to the military?

For sure. You can consciencely object to your tax dollars going to anything. It would be pointless as the majority of the country realize the necessity of a military, but you can object to whatever you want.

Is that illegal?

I is be confused by your question. No, of course it's not illegal.