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Posted by tangplay on 2/12/2019 11:50:00 AM (view original):
CCCP is STILL refusing to respond to.my post.

I did. Your subsequent post was entirely opinion base without any logic behind it. I respectfully disagree with you. What else would you like me to say? I literally Watched border patrol agents on live TV state they want the wall. I believe A good defense is a good offense so sometimes we need to intervene proactively. Not sure what we are debating exactly.

most of your posts are entirely opinion based. Yes, some border agemnts undoubtedly think we need a wall. I'm willing to bet (but but not willing to reseaarch it) that you find many border agents who say a wall would not help. It is just their opinion, not fact.

Their opinion is based on fact.

no, their opinion is based on their opinion that we need a wall. Doesn't make them wrong. But it is still just an opinion.

I think your windows are fine. You live in your house and notice they are drafty. You think you need new windows. Since I dont live in your house, your opinion is worth more
than mine.

nobody's opinion is worth more than anyone else's opinion. I may have more evidence to support my opinion than you do, but that doesn't make it worth any more or less.

OK they have more evidence so I value their opinion more. Fair?

sure, that's fair. But they have evidence that supports your opinion. Other border patrol agents can probably show evidence that says a wall is not the answer. You won't value their opinion more because their evidence does not support what you believe.

Bingo. We call that "disingenuousness."

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WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.

From March of 2018. But don't let actually looking stuff up get in the way of...whatever this is, cccp.

I literally saw them say they wanted it on TV

You saw every border patrol agent in the country go on TV and say they needed a wall?

LITERALLY ALL OF THEM ON THE TEEVEE

trump is a bad leader...if he understood that you catch more flies with honey then vinegar it could have been different.
let us not forget that trump was offered 25 billion for the wall in exchange for dem dacca solution...not only did he turn down dacca but insisted instead on a 3 year dacca delay and ending family reunification... for the 25 billion.....that is the story not to forget.

Posted by dino27 on 2/12/2019 4:26:00 PM (view original):
there was a major poll maybe gallop where the majority of american doctors want medicare for all.
i dont know the polls on aca.

Conducted in December and January and published online Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, the new survey shows that nearly three-quarters of general practitioners favored making changes to the Obama administration's signature healthcare reform measure.
But in this nationally representative sample of primary care doctors, only 15% favored the law's repeal. Among responding physicians who voted for Donald Trump, only 38% favored the law's repeal.

That makes the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, far less popular among the physicians on the front lines of medicine than it is in the American body politic. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll taken after the November 2016 election found that 26% of Americans wanted to see Obamacare repealed.

From January of 2017. There's nuance to it, like with most things.

But nuance doesn't exist in Trumperica.

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Posted by Uofa2 on 2/12/2019 4:22:00 PM (view original):

WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.

From March of 2018. But don't let actually looking stuff up get in the way of...whatever this is, cccp.

I literally saw them say they wanted it on TV

Did you see every border patrol agent say that? No. You saw a very small percentage of border patrol agents say that. Just because some agents say a wall is needed, that does not mean all agents say a wall is needed. Just like just because one asinine democratic congressperson from MN is an anti-semite, that does not mean all democrats are anti-semites

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WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.

From March of 2018. But don't let actually looking stuff up get in the way of...whatever this is, cccp.

I literally saw them say they wanted it on TV

You saw every border patrol agent in the country go on TV and say they needed a wall?

They went on TV and I didnt see any dissents in the media so I surmise they represent the majority of persons. Again your house has doors and walls why not our border with Mexico?

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Posted by cccp1014 on 2/12/2019 2:29:00 PM (view original):
We have security for a reason. We have doors, windows, walls and alarms in our homes for a reason. I am Not an expert but when experts opine and state we need a wall and immigration reform, I believe them.

You can do research and formulate your own opinions.

If a doctor said that they wanted Obamacare, would you support that?

Cmon.

No MD would say that but if they did I would ask why for sure and give credence to their opinion. Yes.

You realize there are MDs who are pro ACA right?

Nope I do not. Right? Wait, you didn’t know that?

Every MD I have met is capitalist first and foremost. My longtime family MD recently retired because he said it was not as profitable. Less regulation not more is what MDs likes hence many go into laser eye surgery and Botox as these industries are private pay vs insurance

I know you know two doctors who don't like the ACA but, newsflash, there are more than two doctors in America. Even if, and this is completely made up, only 1% of doctors think the ACA is great, that's still some doctors who like the ACA.

Why would a doctor like ACA when it costs them money? Your insults failed. Try again.

where in that post did anyone insult you?

ive heard border agents as well as some border collies say they would like a little wall here and there but not everywhere.

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Posted by Uofa2 on 2/12/2019 4:22:00 PM (view original):

WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.

From March of 2018. But don't let actually looking stuff up get in the way of...whatever this is, cccp.

I literally saw them say they wanted it on TV

Did you see every border patrol agent say that? No. You saw a very small percentage of border patrol agents say that. Just because some agents say a wall is needed, that does not mean all agents say a wall is needed. Just like just because one asinine democratic congressperson from MN is an anti-semite, that does not mean all democrats are anti-semites

As I said they Represent the majority otherwise they would not have said it publicly. I didnt see any dissents in the media from other agents post announcement. Good enough for me. You’re free to side with bad luck, Dino and Tang.

I've never known a border collie to like walls. Please post your source.

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Posted by dino27 on 2/12/2019 4:26:00 PM (view original):
there was a major poll maybe gallop where the majority of american doctors want medicare for all.
i dont know the polls on aca.

Conducted in December and January and published online Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, the new survey shows that nearly three-quarters of general practitioners favored making changes to the Obama administration's signature healthcare reform measure.
But in this nationally representative sample of primary care doctors, only 15% favored the law's repeal. Among responding physicians who voted for Donald Trump, only 38% favored the law's repeal.

That makes the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, far less popular among the physicians on the front lines of medicine than it is in the American body politic. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll taken after the November 2016 election found that 26% of Americans wanted to see Obamacare repealed.

From January of 2017. There's nuance to it, like with most things.

But nuance doesn't exist in Trumperica.

I sincerely hope you find a cure for your TDS

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Posted by Uofa2 on 2/12/2019 4:22:00 PM (view original):

WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.

From March of 2018. But don't let actually looking stuff up get in the way of...whatever this is, cccp.

I literally saw them say they wanted it on TV

Did you see every border patrol agent say that? No. You saw a very small percentage of border patrol agents say that. Just because some agents say a wall is needed, that does not mean all agents say a wall is needed. Just like just because one asinine democratic congressperson from MN is an anti-semite, that does not mean all democrats are anti-semites

As I said they Represent the majority otherwise they would not have said it publicly. I didnt see any dissents in the media from other agents post announcement. Good enough for me. You’re free to side with bad luck, Dino and Tang.

How do you know they represent the majority? I don't even know if THEY know whether or not they represent he majority.

If they didn’t their union would not have allowed them to make such a statement on live TV. I use logic. You should try it sometime.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/12/2019 5:00:00 PM (view original):
If they didn’t their union would not have allowed them to make such a statement on live TV. I use logic. You should try it sometime.

How do you know that? The union doesn't control border patrol administration. Who did you see on TV?

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Posted by cccp1014 on 2/12/2019 5:00:00 PM (view original):
If they didn’t their union would not have allowed them to make such a statement on live TV. I use logic. You should try it sometime.

How do you know that? The union doesn't control border patrol administration. Who did you see on TV?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24e5779NHKM

I work with union companies frequently.