Posted by rsp777 on 2/16/2019 4:26:00 PM (view original):
Yes. But two of your 3 arguments are out the window. It DOES NOT and WILL NOT cost more money to jail murderers for a LIFETIME. Your "person could be innocent" argument is the key to the establishment of a 100% guilty beyond all doubt verdict. If all doubt is gone. You DIE. Your only valid argument is on the subject of a differing moral compass. I understand that completely. I'd like to hear your reasoning as to why someone who takes another life willfully through their actions, is proven 100% guilty and receives a beyond all doubt verdict, should be spared from the same fate that they decided for another soul. I believe the moral violation is 100% upon the perpetrator and that a death sentence for those convicted in the sense of which I speak restores moral balance to society. I just don't buy the "how we treat our prisoners defines us" argument. They decided their own fate 100%. They had knowledge of the consequences. They should not be given a lifetime of abuse, prison sex, drugs, smoking, weightlifting and making license plates in a prison system that becomes more privatized and corrupt as the days pass by. I feel that it is not the obligation of society to care for a murderer convicted in this fashion forever, but that it is the obligation of society to establish a true consequence if you are ignorant enough to take the life of another.
The Oklahoma study reviewed 184 first-degree murder cases from Oklahoma and Tulsa counties in the years 2004-2010 and analyzed costs incurred at the pre-trial, trial, sentencing, and post-sentencing (appeals and incarceration) stages. Capital prosecutions, it found, cost the counties more than 1½ times the amount of incarceration costs than did non-capital trials because capital defendants spent an average of 324 more days in jail prior to and during death penalty trials. Prosecutors spent triple in pre-trial and trial costs on death penalty proceedings, while defense teams spent nearly 10 times more. Oklahoma capital appeal proceedings cost between five and six times more than non-capital appeals of first-degree murder convictions. The study "conservatively estimated" that an Oklahoma capital case cost $110,000 more on average than a non-capital case. The researchers said their results were "consistent with all previous research on death penalty costs, which have found that in comparing similar cases, seeking and imposing the death penalty is more expensive than not seeking it." They concluded, "It is a simple fact that seeking the death penalty is more expensive. There is not one credible study, to our knowledge, that presents evidence to the contrary."
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
A 2009 survey of the most leading criminologists in the country from found that the overwhelming majority did not believe that the death penalty is a proven deterrent to homicide. Eighty-eight percent of the country’s top criminologists do not believe the death penalty acts as a deterrent to homicide, according to a new study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology and authored by Professor Michael Radelet, Chair of the Department of Sociology at the University of Colorado-Boulder, and Traci Lacock, also at Boulder.
Similarly, 87% of the expert criminologists believe that abolition of the death penalty would not have any significant effect on murder rates. In addition, 75% of the respondents agree that “debates about the death penalty distract Congress and state legislatures from focusing on real solutions to crime problems.”
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-about-deterrence-and-death-penalty
As for my morality, I just simply do not believe in redemptive violence, it is against my religion and I don't think it is right.