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Posted by dino27 on 3/2/2019 5:01:00 PM (view original):
im sick of the putrid anti american record on gun control issues by the republican congress...

This is the main one I have an issue with. Gun control, in itself, is anti-American. Our constitution gives us the right for very, very good reasons.

Gun control isn’t anti-American or unconstitutional.

Um, it's both. Our founders put it in place as a resource to fight tyranny against the GOVERNMENT. The GOVERNMENT has no right to take that resource away.

To be clear, keeping guns out of hands of criminals and those with mental illness is not what I'm referring to. Banning guns is what I'm referring to.

Well, gun control isn’t banning all guns. So problem solved.

Banning any guns is unconstitutional. Plus, the guns that are targeted by the left are used for a very small percentage of all gun crimes. If the left really cared about preventing gun crimes, their focus would be on hand guns. But preventing gun crimes is not their goal.

So mental health and background checks, and gun safety tests don't prevent gun crimes?

We aren't saying to ban guns.

Yes, I agree with your first lines.

You might not saying to ban guns, but plenty in your party have called for that on numerous occasions. Remember the whole "assault weapon" ban. "Assault weapons" account for a very, very small percentage of gun crimes. Most gun violence is committed with handguns.

Yeah, I agree with you on that second part. You aren't debating with 'my party'. You are debating with me.

What would stop gun violence?

Nothing will stop gun violence. You can take action to limit it by measures that we agree upon. You've already named them.

OK we agree on this.

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:01:00 PM (view original):
You are right. We haven't had true capitalism in a very long time. The problem is that you and AOC and Bernie and the rest of the democratic party and a good portion of the republican party (although they would never say it publicly) want to take us much further towards socialism when we should be going the other direction.

Again, you are the one on the extreme fringe here.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Here's the thing, Tang. This is what the left seems to miss. The only reason people have jobs is because of the rich. The government produces nothing. We shouldn't punish people for taking risks and being successful. Guess what, if your newspaper doesn't turn a profit, you still get paid. Guess who doesn't get paid, the investors of your newspaper. They carry all of the risk. We shouldn't punish them when they provide a service that does happen to turn a profit.

Here's the other thing the left misses, Bill Gates and the Walton family has done far more for humanity than someone like Mother Teresa. Bill Gates and Sam Walton have provided an income for millions of people. They are already doing their part.

Socialism is by far the most immoral economic system.

The only reason people have jobs is because of the rich.

Someone's forgetting about federal workers.

We shouldn't punish people for taking risks and being successful

It's not a punishment.

Guess who doesn't get paid, the investors of your newspaper. They carry all of the risk.

They choose to make the investment. Poor people don't choose to be born into poverty.

Here's the other thing the left misses, Bill Gates and the Walton family has done far more for humanity than someone like Mother Teresa.

I am very happy for him. If every rich person was more like Bill Gates, the world would be a better place. Unfortunately, Bill Gates can't help every person. Bill Gate's job isn't to help the poor get childcare, it is to turn a profit. Private Prisons aren't looking to help people rehabilitate, they are looking to turn a profit. That's the problem with using other people to do the government's job.

Socialism is by far the most immoral economic system.

Many people believe that the Bible advocates for socialism.

It literally says that God's economic system involves taking from the rich and giving to the poor once every 50 years.

I'm not forgetting about federal workers. Where do you think the federal government gets their money from to pay the federal workers? I'll answer for you. The rich. The government doesn't produce anything. Everything they have, they have taken from those that do produce. The top 1% pays more in income than the bottom 90% combined. This why the whole "fair share" argument is complete bullshit. The rich already fund our whole country in both the private sector and government. And yet, all you hear is that we should take more and more.

Every rich person is like Bill Gates. They didn't get rich by putting their money under mattresses. They invest it, which creates jobs.

The top 1% pays more in income than the bottom 90%

Yes because they have more money than all of them combined. If the poor gave everything they own to the government, they would still provide less than the rich already do. That's why we tax the rich. I don't feel sorry for them.

Every rich person is like Bill Gates.

Not every rich person does a lot to help the community and the poor.



The rich should provide funds. They are rich.

true capitalism is slavery

i'm for a more equitable arrangement that has some regard for the hopes and dreams of the individual

Tang acts as though the rich stole their money. WTF? Impossible to have a conversation with people like him.

yet here you are

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Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 1:53:00 PM (view original):
Arguing that Bill Gates should solve for every poor person in America is far more naive than saying that the government should provide child care.

You completely miss the point. I am not saying that Bill Gates is a humanitarian because he gives to charity. He does, but that is not what I am talking about. Bill Gates is a humanitarian because he creates millions of jobs for people. That is how you help the poor. Create an economic environment that promotes hiring. Our current system definitely does not do that. Let me ask you a question. Do you know how much you cost your employer?

But their goal is to make money, not to help people. And under that system, many basic needs would not be established because the cost outweighs the profit. Under your system, I can't think of a reason why rural hospitals or accommodations would exist.

Going back to the example of private prisons, that's a good example of why running public services with the goal of profit is bad. The goal shouldn't always be to make money. The government needs to provide those services. The government gets the funds to do that from the rich, because that's where the money is.

the rich steal my money every day

they got me over a barrel

i go to the doctor whats gonna happen

is there any chance i am gonna be enriched by the experience?

Posted by all3 on 3/3/2019 2:42:00 PM (view original):
The ignorance level around here has reached a new high. No Country can continue to give away more and more "free" things. Eventually, the people paying for all the "free" things are going to move away and leave the entire Country in a panic, and the people working hard to being at the bottom of the middle or the top of the bottom, are going to say "F it, getting free stuff is easier." and "free" is going to be even more expensive. Very basic, very simple, principals but well above the understanding of some here.

Eventually, the people paying for all the "free" things are going to move away and leave the entire Country in a panic,

OR they will stay here because if they do fall into poverty, they will get benefits. It's a safety net.

Dunno........ what kind of Dr? Proctologist??? Probably not enriching.........

Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:01:00 PM (view original):
You are right. We haven't had true capitalism in a very long time. The problem is that you and AOC and Bernie and the rest of the democratic party and a good portion of the republican party (although they would never say it publicly) want to take us much further towards socialism when we should be going the other direction.

Because pure capitalism has never failed.

At least we know that social programs work, in other countries. We are lagging behind.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/3/2019 3:05:00 PM (view original):
Tang acts as though the rich stole their money. WTF? Impossible to have a conversation with people like him.

No, they made their money.

I don't feel sorry for them. You aren't going to get me to feel sorry for a rich person.

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Posted by tangplay on 3/3/2019 1:53:00 PM (view original):
Arguing that Bill Gates should solve for every poor person in America is far more naive than saying that the government should provide child care.

You completely miss the point. I am not saying that Bill Gates is a humanitarian because he gives to charity. He does, but that is not what I am talking about. Bill Gates is a humanitarian because he creates millions of jobs for people. That is how you help the poor. Create an economic environment that promotes hiring. Our current system definitely does not do that. Let me ask you a question. Do you know how much you cost your employer?

Let me turn that around. Does your employer understand just HOW MUCH you are worth to HIS bottom line?

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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Here's the thing, Tang. This is what the left seems to miss. The only reason people have jobs is because of the rich. The government produces nothing. We shouldn't punish people for taking risks and being successful. Guess what, if your newspaper doesn't turn a profit, you still get paid. Guess who doesn't get paid, the investors of your newspaper. They carry all of the risk. We shouldn't punish them when they provide a service that does happen to turn a profit.

Here's the other thing the left misses, Bill Gates and the Walton family has done far more for humanity than someone like Mother Teresa. Bill Gates and Sam Walton have provided an income for millions of people. They are already doing their part.

Socialism is by far the most immoral economic system.

The only reason people have jobs is because of the rich.

Someone's forgetting about federal workers.

We shouldn't punish people for taking risks and being successful

It's not a punishment.

Guess who doesn't get paid, the investors of your newspaper. They carry all of the risk.

They choose to make the investment. Poor people don't choose to be born into poverty.

Here's the other thing the left misses, Bill Gates and the Walton family has done far more for humanity than someone like Mother Teresa.

I am very happy for him. If every rich person was more like Bill Gates, the world would be a better place. Unfortunately, Bill Gates can't help every person. Bill Gate's job isn't to help the poor get childcare, it is to turn a profit. Private Prisons aren't looking to help people rehabilitate, they are looking to turn a profit. That's the problem with using other people to do the government's job.

Socialism is by far the most immoral economic system.

Many people believe that the Bible advocates for socialism.

It literally says that God's economic system involves taking from the rich and giving to the poor once every 50 years.

I'm not forgetting about federal workers. Where do you think the federal government gets their money from to pay the federal workers? I'll answer for you. The rich. The government doesn't produce anything. Everything they have, they have taken from those that do produce. The top 1% pays more in income than the bottom 90% combined. This why the whole "fair share" argument is complete bullshit. The rich already fund our whole country in both the private sector and government. And yet, all you hear is that we should take more and more.

Every rich person is like Bill Gates. They didn't get rich by putting their money under mattresses. They invest it, which creates jobs.

The top 1% pays more in income than the bottom 90%

Yes because they have more money than all of them combined. If the poor gave everything they own to the government, they would still provide less than the rich already do. That's why we tax the rich. I don't feel sorry for them.

Every rich person is like Bill Gates.

Not every rich person does a lot to help the community and the poor.



The rich should provide funds. They are rich.

Once again, you don't get it. EVERY rich person does do something to help the community. They provide JOBS. EVERY rich person provides jobs. Having a job is how you get out of poverty.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/3/2019 3:01:00 PM (view original):
You are right. We haven't had true capitalism in a very long time. The problem is that you and AOC and Bernie and the rest of the democratic party and a good portion of the republican party (although they would never say it publicly) want to take us much further towards socialism when we should be going the other direction.

Because pure capitalism has never failed.

At least we know that social programs work, in other countries. We are lagging behind.

Other countries are not the same size as the US. Sweden has fewer people living in it than NYC.

I am going to start a new thread tomorrow and embarrass you and bad leftist.