false prophets are a dime a dozen

my Q is there a prophet alive or dead who was not a scientist

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 1:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 3/6/2019 11:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 10:17:00 AM (view original):
Whatever. This is getting old. If you want a thread where we throw shots at one another create one. I will respect KO and try to keep it civil. Gladly throw shots with you, Tang, bl and dino any day. Just create the thread.

im sorry but i cant let that go when it was you who created the original lack of civility and i will go out on a limb to say that strikeout understands my reasoning for redlining better now.
stay in your lane bro and dont start to lecture others on civility.

KO then asked me to stop. So if you want to go toe to toe do it in a different thread was all I said. Had you asked me to stop in your thread I would have. "Stay in my lane"? LOL thanks Lavar.

No one is asking you to call people names. They are asking you to debate the topic.

I understand the privacy argument and also get a little weird at the idea of the government forcing people to get shots. But the cost of allowing people to opt out of vaccines based on a lie is too great. Kids have to be vaccinated.

Posted by dahsdebater on 3/6/2019 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Also - this has been alluded to already in this thread - the Wakefield study was formally retracted by the journal that published it. This happened as a result of the fact that the corresponding author confessed to having entirely fabricated the data. Turns out he had financial conflicts of interest. He also did the research in question - the same for which he falsified the results - without appropriate/legally required ethical oversight. So in addition to publishing fabricated data he was also charged with abuse of the study subjects - children with developmental disorders.

This is the hero the antivaxers follow.

It's soooo dumb.

The entire conspiracy theory community is based on the idea that "I'm smart and I do my research and everyone else is a dumb sheep that just eats whatever they are fed," and the truth, inevitably, is almost always the opposite.

nope

its based on "they're prolly lying. fake news. how am i supposed to know"

the entire conspiracy theory community is based on ignorance. lack of information you could say, but a horse don necessarily wanna drink

in a democracy ignorers get say. a lot of people live their lives with no input. keeps us grounded

I still have the Smallpox vaccine scar on my arm from the 1960's

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 9:55:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 9:17:00 AM (view original):
If you want to watch a sick show, watch Banshee. I leave it up to the parents as there are conflicting reports on whether or not they cause autism and such.

THEY DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM

IT SHOULD NOT BE THE PARENT'S CHOICE

Says you but yet I speak with parents who swear differently. Stating their babies were fully alert and smiling and post shots were not the same. I vaccinated my kids but I don't blame those who are cautious. You're not a parent. You don't get it. I agree that parents SHOULD vaccinate but it should not be mandatory. Kids who are not are at risk for themselves not to others, correct?

So it's called a coincidence. I don't know if you have heard of it before.

I have ZERO respect for a parent who chooses not to vaccinate their kid.

I'll answer it again:

I am for vaccines but I don't think it is fair to force someone to do something to their body that they or in this case their parents don't want to do. Abortion literally kills a life but I am pro choice because I don't believe a woman should have to be forced to do with her body what she doesn't want to do. I am not sure what you're not understanding. My beliefs are based on personal experiences many times, you are correct. Why is that so wrong?

I had both my kids vaccinated.

Posted by laramiebob on 3/6/2019 1:20:00 PM (view original):
I think it's Levar, Boris.

Actually it is LaVar Ball

LOL

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/6/2019 10:34:00 AM (view original):
I just think it's silly that you base your beliefs on what a couple of people say. It's been a consistent factor in what you believe in.

Vaccines should absolutely be mandated. A decade long study just came out yesterday or the day before. Vaccines do not cause autism.

I am for vaccines but I don't think it is fair to force someone to do something to their body that they or in this case their parents don't want to do. Abortion literally kills a life but I am pro choice because I don't believe a woman should have to be forced to do with her body what she doesn't want to do. I am not sure what you're not understanding. My beliefs are based on personal experiences many times, you are correct. Why is that so wrong?

I would agree with you if it were only about your kid. But it's not. Again, vaccines are a public health issue. There are children who rely on public vaccination to stay healthy.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I'll answer it again:

I am for vaccines but I don't think it is fair to force someone to do something to their body that they or in this case their parents don't want to do. Abortion literally kills a life but I am pro choice because I don't believe a woman should have to be forced to do with her body what she doesn't want to do. I am not sure what you're not understanding. My beliefs are based on personal experiences many times, you are correct. Why is that so wrong?

I had both my kids vaccinated.

Your personal experiences are limited and often not fully representive of the larger issue.

Posted by tangplay on 3/6/2019 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/6/2019 10:34:00 AM (view original):
I just think it's silly that you base your beliefs on what a couple of people say. It's been a consistent factor in what you believe in.

Vaccines should absolutely be mandated. A decade long study just came out yesterday or the day before. Vaccines do not cause autism.

I am for vaccines but I don't think it is fair to force someone to do something to their body that they or in this case their parents don't want to do. Abortion literally kills a life but I am pro choice because I don't believe a woman should have to be forced to do with her body what she doesn't want to do. I am not sure what you're not understanding. My beliefs are based on personal experiences many times, you are correct. Why is that so wrong?

I would agree with you if it were only about your kid. But it's not. Again, vaccines are a public health issue. There are children who rely on public vaccination to stay healthy.

I am not following you. I am not vaccinated and you are, then I am at risk for the disease and not you, correct? Or am I mistaken?

Posted by tangplay on 3/6/2019 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I'll answer it again:

I am for vaccines but I don't think it is fair to force someone to do something to their body that they or in this case their parents don't want to do. Abortion literally kills a life but I am pro choice because I don't believe a woman should have to be forced to do with her body what she doesn't want to do. I am not sure what you're not understanding. My beliefs are based on personal experiences many times, you are correct. Why is that so wrong?

I had both my kids vaccinated.

Your personal experiences are limited and often not fully representive of the larger issue.

I am in my 40s. Not that limited, LOL.

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/6/2019 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/6/2019 10:34:00 AM (view original):
I just think it's silly that you base your beliefs on what a couple of people say. It's been a consistent factor in what you believe in.

Vaccines should absolutely be mandated. A decade long study just came out yesterday or the day before. Vaccines do not cause autism.

I am for vaccines but I don't think it is fair to force someone to do something to their body that they or in this case their parents don't want to do. Abortion literally kills a life but I am pro choice because I don't believe a woman should have to be forced to do with her body what she doesn't want to do. I am not sure what you're not understanding. My beliefs are based on personal experiences many times, you are correct. Why is that so wrong?

I would agree with you if it were only about your kid. But it's not. Again, vaccines are a public health issue. There are children who rely on public vaccination to stay healthy.

I am not following you. I am not vaccinated and you are, then I am at risk for the disease and not you, correct? Or am I mistaken?

If almost everyone is vaccinated, the disease dies out. It can't spread.

In that case, people with other issues--autoimmune disorders, those undergoing cancer treatment, etc--who either can't get the vaccine or whose immune systems are weakened to the point that the vaccine no longer works, are safe from contracting the disease.

If a large chunk of otherwise healthy people opt not to get the vaccine, the disease thrives, putting people in the group above in danger.

What is the difference if you cannot get one due to health or do not want to get one because you are concerned it will create an issue? I am playing devils advocate as I actually agree with you and my kids are vaccinated. 4

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 3/6/2019 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 3/6/2019 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 3/6/2019 10:34:00 AM (view original):
I just think it's silly that you base your beliefs on what a couple of people say. It's been a consistent factor in what you believe in.

Vaccines should absolutely be mandated. A decade long study just came out yesterday or the day before. Vaccines do not cause autism.

I am for vaccines but I don't think it is fair to force someone to do something to their body that they or in this case their parents don't want to do. Abortion literally kills a life but I am pro choice because I don't believe a woman should have to be forced to do with her body what she doesn't want to do. I am not sure what you're not understanding. My beliefs are based on personal experiences many times, you are correct. Why is that so wrong?

I would agree with you if it were only about your kid. But it's not. Again, vaccines are a public health issue. There are children who rely on public vaccination to stay healthy.

I am not following you. I am not vaccinated and you are, then I am at risk for the disease and not you, correct? Or am I mistaken?

Some children are less immune to disease and cannot be vaccinated at the times that everyone else is. These people rely on public vaccination to stay safe and not catch disease until they can be vaccinated.