Just wondering what everyone's guesses would be for a situation like this. An A+ D3 school and a D D1 school battle for a recruit. They have same preferences, just enough AP for scholarship, and no cash on the recruit. They both have scholarships on the recruit. The D3 offers 25 minutes and a start. What do you think the interest levels (and odds if dice roll present) are if the recruit has a wants to play preference? What are the interest level and odds if he doesn't have a wants to play preference?

I don't know, but the D-3 team shouldn't be anywhere close to the D-1 team.

You mention both teams have the same AP, but whether they have 10 or 800 makes a huge difference. the lower the AP, the better the odds for the D-3 team, since they have the start and minutes in place. If both teams put in 800 AP then the start and minutes doesn't mean as much.

I edited it to say they have just enough AP so that they have scholarships.

Without Want to Play preference - D1
With Want to Play Preference - D1

But if the D3 school had just enough AP to offer a scholly, then they wouldnt be able to offer minutes or spend cash. They stand no chance again a D1 school.

I dunno. Wants to Play is a significant preference.

If all other effort is equal and small, I think the D3 team has a 25-30% chance if the kid wants to play.

Posted by kcsundevil on 3/12/2019 11:43:00 AM (view original):
I dunno. Wants to Play is a significant preference.

If all other effort is equal and small, I think the D3 team has a 25-30% chance if the kid wants to play.

I agree that it is significant but its not THAT significant to put a D3 in contention with a D1 with a start and 25 minutes if AP, cash spent, and preferences are all equivalent.

Posted by zagsrulez on 3/12/2019 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 3/12/2019 11:43:00 AM (view original):
I dunno. Wants to Play is a significant preference.

If all other effort is equal and small, I think the D3 team has a 25-30% chance if the kid wants to play.

I agree that it is significant but its not THAT significant to put a D3 in contention with a D1 with a start and 25 minutes if AP, cash spent, and preferences are all equivalent.

It certainly shouldn't be that significant, but I suspect it is if the other recruiting effort totals are really low for both teams.

If effort is high or even middling, D1 knocks out D3 pretty quick.

Any D1 team can take any recruit from any D3 team with just a modest effort. If you ever see a D3 team win a recruit from a D1 team, the D1 team allowed it.

I disagree with that. Last year I witnessed a D3 team win with 60-40 odds when both teams had significant effort but the D3 had a lot of AP. I know that the D1 had a lot of effort because another D1 had a scholarship and high high prestige and was at VL. I do agree if a D1 has a lot of AP and max visits on a guy they’ll beat any D3 but with a lead, a D3 can definitely shield themselves from a D1 team. Correct me if I’m wrong. Just from observations.

I think a division is relatively equivalent to 3 full letter grades. Therefore an A+ DIII vs a D DI wound be about the same as a D+ DII vs an A DII, respectively. The DI still has a large advantage, but definitely within range.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 3/12/2019 7:12:00 AM (view original):
Just wondering what everyone's guesses would be for a situation like this. An A+ D3 school and a D D1 school battle for a recruit. They have same preferences, just enough AP for scholarship, and no cash on the recruit. They both have scholarships on the recruit. The D3 offers 25 minutes and a start. What do you think the interest levels (and odds if dice roll present) are if the recruit has a wants to play preference? What are the interest level and odds if he doesn't have a wants to play preference?

75% 20% DIII with Guaranteed start and 25 minutes be determining factor.

Posted by gdog13cavs on 3/13/2019 12:12:00 AM (view original):
I think a division is relatively equivalent to 3 full letter grades. Therefore an A+ DIII vs a D DI wound be about the same as a D+ DII vs an A DII, respectively. The DI still has a large advantage, but definitely within range.

Wow, this would be interesting.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 3/13/2019 12:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gdog13cavs on 3/13/2019 12:12:00 AM (view original):
I think a division is relatively equivalent to 3 full letter grades. Therefore an A+ DIII vs a D DI wound be about the same as a D+ DII vs an A DII, respectively. The DI still has a large advantage, but definitely within range.

Wow, this would be interesting.

No, it's more than that. There is an additional multiplier in between each division.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 3/12/2019 11:36:00 PM (view original):
I disagree with that. Last year I witnessed a D3 team win with 60-40 odds when both teams had significant effort but the D3 had a lot of AP. I know that the D1 had a lot of effort because another D1 had a scholarship and high high prestige and was at VL. I do agree if a D1 has a lot of AP and max visits on a guy they’ll beat any D3 but with a lead, a D3 can definitely shield themselves from a D1 team. Correct me if I’m wrong. Just from observations.

Maybe for a cycle or two. It’s probably better to move on and begin the search for a backup option rather than “battle” an upper division.

Posted by zagsrulez on 3/13/2019 7:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 3/12/2019 11:36:00 PM (view original):
I disagree with that. Last year I witnessed a D3 team win with 60-40 odds when both teams had significant effort but the D3 had a lot of AP. I know that the D1 had a lot of effort because another D1 had a scholarship and high high prestige and was at VL. I do agree if a D1 has a lot of AP and max visits on a guy they’ll beat any D3 but with a lead, a D3 can definitely shield themselves from a D1 team. Correct me if I’m wrong. Just from observations.

Maybe for a cycle or two. It’s probably better to move on and begin the search for a backup option rather than “battle” an upper division.

Depends on when the “battle” happens in recruiting. If it’s cycle 25, and the D3 has been on the guy at 50 AP/cycle, he has a pretty good foothold, and with all that sunk cost, might as well dig in. Given enough cycles before the player signs, D1 teams can make up that ground, but sometimes they start the effort too late. A scholarship and the AP to unlock it alone isn’t going to cut it. A campus visit and/or promises can maybe get them in the game, but if the D3 has also invested visits, the D1 may not have the time to accumulate enough effort to knock them out of range.