Posted by tangplay on 4/4/2019 10:19:00 AM (view original):
I do think Dan Snyder needs to change the name of his team. It's a dictionary defined racial slur.

This.

I doubt anyone actually cares about the name Colonials but the DC football team need to change its name.

Posted by all3 on 4/4/2019 11:54:00 AM (view original):
Wow, twice in like 3 days that bob and I couldn't agree more.

Damn. Sad thing is there's been a few others, too. Like you said blind monkeys and apologists and nuts and screws.

So the other time we agreed was on the electoral college matter? Is that right?
I'm so opposed to eliminating that I can't spout it articulately enough.

On this team "nickname" so-called issue. In all fairness I must admit to being from Arizona where we've had loony politicians for EVER! AND, a few years back we had one/some (including a Gov.) who went about trying to "officially" change names on Mtn. Pks, freeways, etc in a misguided effort to eliminate "offensive" terms from being used in our colloquialisms, maps, and such. So, there went Squaw Peak, and the Squaw Peak Freeway, although we still have numerous Squaw Peaks, Squaw Pk, Drives, Lanes, etc. Not to mention Sally's nipple, Fern's *** (can we say that?) Miners *****, **** Rock (a GREAT campsite that I won't reveal any more info about regarding it's location!!) and all sorts of Indian heads from Mazatzal to Cochise, to Geronimo. Plus we celebrate cliffs with names that denote horrid historical events like Apache Leap (check out what supposedly happened their!) and have a High School named after Cortez for goodness sake!!

IMO, it's stupid to even go there. You can't (and shouldn't!!) sanitize history, It is what it is. Human behavior. Thus, looking backwards, all sorts of atrocities are seen, worrying about the name of some particularly memorable rock structure is just bordering on lunacy.

Argue/debate important stuff, not the trivial. Try debating the importance of the 9th Amendment instead......... or (actually) ANY of the 1st ten!
That's possibly worthwhile.
But, no matter what someone else things of that particular mountain in Phoenix, to me it's always gonna be Squaw Peak.
Janet Napolitano can bite my hind end on that issue!

Posted by tangplay on 4/4/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):
I think I've already got a decent understanding on angry white males thanks to you, thanks.

So then you're teaching it? LOL

Posted by laramiebob on 4/4/2019 12:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 4/4/2019 11:54:00 AM (view original):
Wow, twice in like 3 days that bob and I couldn't agree more.

Damn. Sad thing is there's been a few others, too. Like you said blind monkeys and apologists and nuts and screws.

So the other time we agreed was on the electoral college matter? Is that right?
I'm so opposed to eliminating that I can't spout it articulately enough.

On this team "nickname" so-called issue. In all fairness I must admit to being from Arizona where we've had loony politicians for EVER! AND, a few years back we had one/some (including a Gov.) who went about trying to "officially" change names on Mtn. Pks, freeways, etc in a misguided effort to eliminate "offensive" terms from being used in our colloquialisms, maps, and such. So, there went Squaw Peak, and the Squaw Peak Freeway, although we still have numerous Squaw Peaks, Squaw Pk, Drives, Lanes, etc. Not to mention Sally's nipple, Fern's *** (can we say that?) Miners *****, **** Rock (a GREAT campsite that I won't reveal any more info about regarding it's location!!) and all sorts of Indian heads from Mazatzal to Cochise, to Geronimo. Plus we celebrate cliffs with names that denote horrid historical events like Apache Leap (check out what supposedly happened their!) and have a High School named after Cortez for goodness sake!!

IMO, it's stupid to even go there. You can't (and shouldn't!!) sanitize history, It is what it is. Human behavior. Thus, looking backwards, all sorts of atrocities are seen, worrying about the name of some particularly memorable rock structure is just bordering on lunacy.

Argue/debate important stuff, not the trivial. Try debating the importance of the 9th Amendment instead......... or (actually) ANY of the 1st ten!
That's possibly worthwhile.
But, no matter what someone else things of that particular mountain in Phoenix, to me it's always gonna be Squaw Peak.
Janet Napolitano can bite my hind end on that issue!

I'm sure Janet will be thrilled about that, Bob!!

My view on all the PC **** is we have taken it way to far. Maybe the Washington Redskins should change their team name, but Colonials??? Give me a break! Who, exactly does that offend? And whoever it is, needs to get a life. I think there are more important things to worry about then some team being called the Colonials.

Personally, I don't care if people in the south hang confederate flags. It is part of their heritage. Not a part I would be proud of, but that is just me. I don't care if there are statues of Robert E Lee or Jefferson Davis. If it really bothers someone, than don't go to the south.

Posted by wylie715 on 4/4/2019 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 4/4/2019 12:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 4/4/2019 11:54:00 AM (view original):
Wow, twice in like 3 days that bob and I couldn't agree more.

Damn. Sad thing is there's been a few others, too. Like you said blind monkeys and apologists and nuts and screws.

So the other time we agreed was on the electoral college matter? Is that right?
I'm so opposed to eliminating that I can't spout it articulately enough.

On this team "nickname" so-called issue. In all fairness I must admit to being from Arizona where we've had loony politicians for EVER! AND, a few years back we had one/some (including a Gov.) who went about trying to "officially" change names on Mtn. Pks, freeways, etc in a misguided effort to eliminate "offensive" terms from being used in our colloquialisms, maps, and such. So, there went Squaw Peak, and the Squaw Peak Freeway, although we still have numerous Squaw Peaks, Squaw Pk, Drives, Lanes, etc. Not to mention Sally's nipple, Fern's *** (can we say that?) Miners *****, **** Rock (a GREAT campsite that I won't reveal any more info about regarding it's location!!) and all sorts of Indian heads from Mazatzal to Cochise, to Geronimo. Plus we celebrate cliffs with names that denote horrid historical events like Apache Leap (check out what supposedly happened their!) and have a High School named after Cortez for goodness sake!!

IMO, it's stupid to even go there. You can't (and shouldn't!!) sanitize history, It is what it is. Human behavior. Thus, looking backwards, all sorts of atrocities are seen, worrying about the name of some particularly memorable rock structure is just bordering on lunacy.

Argue/debate important stuff, not the trivial. Try debating the importance of the 9th Amendment instead......... or (actually) ANY of the 1st ten!
That's possibly worthwhile.
But, no matter what someone else things of that particular mountain in Phoenix, to me it's always gonna be Squaw Peak.
Janet Napolitano can bite my hind end on that issue!

I'm sure Janet will be thrilled about that, Bob!!

My view on all the PC **** is we have taken it way to far. Maybe the Washington Redskins should change their team name, but Colonials??? Give me a break! Who, exactly does that offend? And whoever it is, needs to get a life. I think there are more important things to worry about then some team being called the Colonials.

Personally, I don't care if people in the south hang confederate flags. It is part of their heritage. Not a part I would be proud of, but that is just me. I don't care if there are statues of Robert E Lee or Jefferson Davis. If it really bothers someone, than don't go to the south.

Not a bad post, wylie. First time for everything.

The love of the confederate flag is astounding to me. First of all, regardless of why the civil war happened, the flag is a sign of treason.

In addition to that, it's a symbol of the fight to preserve slavery.

Makes no sense at all.

MOST people don't care.

A 2011 Pew Research Center poll revealed that 30% of Americans had a "negative reaction" when "they saw the Confederate flag displayed."^[28] According to the same poll, 9% of Americans had a positive reaction. A majority (58%) had no reaction. Among black Americans, 41% had a negative reaction, 10% had a positive reaction and 45% had no reaction. A similar poll taken in 2015 revealed little change from 2011

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/4/2019 12:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/4/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):
I think I've already got a decent understanding on angry white males thanks to you, thanks.

So then you're teaching it? LOL

I think I implied that you are.

Posted by wylie715 on 4/4/2019 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 4/4/2019 12:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 4/4/2019 11:54:00 AM (view original):
Wow, twice in like 3 days that bob and I couldn't agree more.

Damn. Sad thing is there's been a few others, too. Like you said blind monkeys and apologists and nuts and screws.

So the other time we agreed was on the electoral college matter? Is that right?
I'm so opposed to eliminating that I can't spout it articulately enough.

On this team "nickname" so-called issue. In all fairness I must admit to being from Arizona where we've had loony politicians for EVER! AND, a few years back we had one/some (including a Gov.) who went about trying to "officially" change names on Mtn. Pks, freeways, etc in a misguided effort to eliminate "offensive" terms from being used in our colloquialisms, maps, and such. So, there went Squaw Peak, and the Squaw Peak Freeway, although we still have numerous Squaw Peaks, Squaw Pk, Drives, Lanes, etc. Not to mention Sally's nipple, Fern's *** (can we say that?) Miners *****, **** Rock (a GREAT campsite that I won't reveal any more info about regarding it's location!!) and all sorts of Indian heads from Mazatzal to Cochise, to Geronimo. Plus we celebrate cliffs with names that denote horrid historical events like Apache Leap (check out what supposedly happened their!) and have a High School named after Cortez for goodness sake!!

IMO, it's stupid to even go there. You can't (and shouldn't!!) sanitize history, It is what it is. Human behavior. Thus, looking backwards, all sorts of atrocities are seen, worrying about the name of some particularly memorable rock structure is just bordering on lunacy.

Argue/debate important stuff, not the trivial. Try debating the importance of the 9th Amendment instead......... or (actually) ANY of the 1st ten!
That's possibly worthwhile.
But, no matter what someone else things of that particular mountain in Phoenix, to me it's always gonna be Squaw Peak.
Janet Napolitano can bite my hind end on that issue!

I'm sure Janet will be thrilled about that, Bob!!

My view on all the PC **** is we have taken it way to far. Maybe the Washington Redskins should change their team name, but Colonials??? Give me a break! Who, exactly does that offend? And whoever it is, needs to get a life. I think there are more important things to worry about then some team being called the Colonials.

Personally, I don't care if people in the south hang confederate flags. It is part of their heritage. Not a part I would be proud of, but that is just me. I don't care if there are statues of Robert E Lee or Jefferson Davis. If it really bothers someone, than don't go to the south.

I disagree with you on the statues part. Many were built by the KKK to keep black people in their place.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/4/2019 1:44:00 PM (view original):
MOST people don't care.

A 2011 Pew Research Center poll revealed that 30% of Americans had a "negative reaction" when "they saw the Confederate flag displayed."^[28] According to the same poll, 9% of Americans had a positive reaction. A majority (58%) had no reaction. Among black Americans, 41% had a negative reaction, 10% had a positive reaction and 45% had no reaction. A similar poll taken in 2015 revealed little change from 2011

Maybe that's true, but it seems odd the amount of anger people have when others suggest the flag (and confederate memorial statues) should be taken down from public spaces.

"I disagree with you on the statues part. Many were built by the KKK to keep black people in their place."

Must not have worked very well. They's all over the place.

What was the statute of Pancho Villa in Tucson supposed to do for me? If I remember correctly the steed he's astride has no balls.
The mexicans all claim this is BS, false. The great Villa would NEVER ride a mare............. they're wrong, like most who just believe the latest scuttle...... in reality Villa's favorite horse was a mare, he named it Siete Laguas (7 leagues) supposedly for how far it could traverse in a day.

Bit of a border legend 'ol Doroteo Arango as he was born. Robin Hood to some. A terror to others.

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/4/2019 1:44:00 PM (view original):
MOST people don't care.

A 2011 Pew Research Center poll revealed that 30% of Americans had a "negative reaction" when "they saw the Confederate flag displayed."^[28] According to the same poll, 9% of Americans had a positive reaction. A majority (58%) had no reaction. Among black Americans, 41% had a negative reaction, 10% had a positive reaction and 45% had no reaction. A similar poll taken in 2015 revealed little change from 2011

I'm sure the disapproval is higher when talking about statues... Fly flags wherever you want on private property.

Posted by bad_luck on 4/4/2019 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/4/2019 1:44:00 PM (view original):
MOST people don't care.

A 2011 Pew Research Center poll revealed that 30% of Americans had a "negative reaction" when "they saw the Confederate flag displayed."^[28] According to the same poll, 9% of Americans had a positive reaction. A majority (58%) had no reaction. Among black Americans, 41% had a negative reaction, 10% had a positive reaction and 45% had no reaction. A similar poll taken in 2015 revealed little change from 2011

Maybe that's true, but it seems odd the amount of anger people have when others suggest the flag (and confederate memorial statues) should be taken down from public spaces.

The media shows 100 people...or 1000 still a miniscule number compared to 300mil plus living here.

Posted by laramiebob on 4/4/2019 2:01:00 PM (view original):
"I disagree with you on the statues part. Many were built by the KKK to keep black people in their place."

Must not have worked very well. They's all over the place.

What was the statute of Pancho Villa in Tucson supposed to do for me? If I remember correctly the steed he's astride has no balls.

Steed named, tangplay?

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/4/2019 2:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 4/4/2019 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 4/4/2019 1:44:00 PM (view original):
MOST people don't care.

A 2011 Pew Research Center poll revealed that 30% of Americans had a "negative reaction" when "they saw the Confederate flag displayed."^[28] According to the same poll, 9% of Americans had a positive reaction. A majority (58%) had no reaction. Among black Americans, 41% had a negative reaction, 10% had a positive reaction and 45% had no reaction. A similar poll taken in 2015 revealed little change from 2011

Maybe that's true, but it seems odd the amount of anger people have when others suggest the flag (and confederate memorial statues) should be taken down from public spaces.

The media shows 100 people...or 1000 still a miniscule number compared to 300mil plus living here.

Hey, as long as we agree that the statues and flags should be taken down, I'm good with that.