a lot of those ratings were blue and green, but it didnt matter much

still he performed okay - against a tough schedule (SOS 5) at Maryland on our way to a loss in the Elite Eight - he was a backup and a couple of spots - I got him some starts along the way as a senior to try to help his progress.

GP	GS	MIN	FG%	FG3%	FT%	OREB	REB	AST	TO	STL	BLK	PF	PTS
33	8	15.6	.467	.353	.656	1.1	2.6	1.5	1.1	0.5	0.2	1.2	6.7
30	0	16.0	.566	.421	.747	0.6	2.0	1.8	1.4	0.6	0.0	1.5	6.7
29	0	19.2	.444	.231	.688	0.7	2.4	2.0	1.4	0.4	0.2	1.9	5.8
30	0	13.6	.527	.381	.690	0.5	2.1	1.3	1.0	0.7	0.1	0.9	3.8
			.493	.340	.698	0.7	2.3	1.6	1.2	0.5	0.1	1.4	5.8

Yr.

Posted by gdog13cavs on 4/4/2019 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Thanks TJ, very interesting. Starting with 3 vs. 1 actually makes a lot of difference.

It makes a significant difference. I think 6 WE is where you can see 20+ points of growth in key areas if they start for four years.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 9:08:00 AM (view original):
He started every game all 4 years.

Have you ever considered trying a low work ethic experiment, starting and playing a player 40 minutes each game?

1 WE will always suck, no matter what you do, but was thinking maybe in the 10-15 range?

Posted by thewizard17 on 4/4/2019 11:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 9:08:00 AM (view original):
He started every game all 4 years.

Have you ever considered trying a low work ethic experiment, starting and playing a player 40 minutes each game?

1 WE will always suck, no matter what you do, but was thinking maybe in the 10-15 range?

For what purpose? Starts are significantly more important to WE growth than starts. Maybe 3to 1?

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Everything else was blacks and reds and oranges....I only put 7 or 3 in them in an attempt to maintain the skills.

Personally I'd put the reds to zero and add it conditioning to help even more with stamina improvement

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 6:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Everything else was blacks and reds and oranges....I only put 7 or 3 in them in an attempt to maintain the skills.

Personally I'd put the reds to zero and add it conditioning to help even more with stamina improvement

If you put zero in the reds there will be a huge decrease, probably 2 to 5 per season.

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 6:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Everything else was blacks and reds and oranges....I only put 7 or 3 in them in an attempt to maintain the skills.

Personally I'd put the reds to zero and add it conditioning to help even more with stamina improvement

Plus, you're a giant stamina whore. The guy honestly wasnt' good enough to warrant the extra 2-3 minutes a game and I didn't have any depth issues.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/5/2019 8:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 6:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Everything else was blacks and reds and oranges....I only put 7 or 3 in them in an attempt to maintain the skills.

Personally I'd put the reds to zero and add it conditioning to help even more with stamina improvement

If you put zero in the reds there will be a huge decrease, probably 2 to 5 per season.

5 per season on a red? Ive never seen that big of a loss, regardless of WE.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/5/2019 8:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 6:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Everything else was blacks and reds and oranges....I only put 7 or 3 in them in an attempt to maintain the skills.

Personally I'd put the reds to zero and add it conditioning to help even more with stamina improvement

Plus, you're a giant stamina whore. The guy honestly wasnt' good enough to warrant the extra 2-3 minutes a game and I didn't have any depth issues.

Guilty! I'd gladly trade 5 pts of BH for 5 pts of Stamina.

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 8:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/5/2019 8:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 6:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Everything else was blacks and reds and oranges....I only put 7 or 3 in them in an attempt to maintain the skills.

Personally I'd put the reds to zero and add it conditioning to help even more with stamina improvement

Plus, you're a giant stamina whore. The guy honestly wasnt' good enough to warrant the extra 2-3 minutes a game and I didn't have any depth issues.

Guilty! I'd gladly trade 5 pts of BH for 5 pts of Stamina.

Wasn't good enough to warrant the extra 2-3 minutes but good enough to start all 4 seasons... Wut.

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 8:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/5/2019 8:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 6:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Everything else was blacks and reds and oranges....I only put 7 or 3 in them in an attempt to maintain the skills.

Personally I'd put the reds to zero and add it conditioning to help even more with stamina improvement

If you put zero in the reds there will be a huge decrease, probably 2 to 5 per season.

5 per season on a red? Ive never seen that big of a loss, regardless of WE.

You would only see a 4+ loss at 1 WE. Weird stuff happens at the bottom of a bell curve.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/5/2019 9:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 8:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/5/2019 8:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 4/5/2019 6:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/4/2019 2:07:00 PM (view original):
Everything else was blacks and reds and oranges....I only put 7 or 3 in them in an attempt to maintain the skills.

Personally I'd put the reds to zero and add it conditioning to help even more with stamina improvement

If you put zero in the reds there will be a huge decrease, probably 2 to 5 per season.

5 per season on a red? Ive never seen that big of a loss, regardless of WE.

You would only see a 4+ loss at 1 WE. Weird stuff happens at the bottom of a bell curve.

Do you have any examples you can share?

I don't. It's not like i do this all the time...


The last time I did this the only red zero I had was all ready at 4 and it went down 1. the blues at zero dropped more (-4 in a year, -9 over four). Maybe That's what I was thinking of....

Yeah, I don't think -5 on a red, even at 1 WE, sounds right... Myself, I'd have skipped the 15 minutes in PER, put that at 3, put passing and FT shooting up to 20 and then dumped the last 7 into whatever. I think a lot of people undervalue perimeter when it isn't good enough to make you a 3-point shooter, but it's still arguably the least valuable rating for a post (if he can't shoot 3s). I'm not convinced the difference between the 31 PER he started at and the 42 he finished at is more than a few thousandths on his FG%.

Well, that’s another subject but I think perimeter is used in the scoring equation for things other than 3fga.