GOT comment - no spoilers Topic

1. Season 8, episode 3 was the greatest single episode of television ever. I understand the criticisms, but I think they are misguided, and think that was the most amazing hour and a half in TV history.

2. This is not a spoiler - I have no inside info. Just my guess. I think I know who ends up on the Iron Throne....



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Sansa Stark. Think about it - the logic is the same as in the last episode: the person who has gained the capacities to pull it off gets it. Danaerys, whom I would follow in real life (liberates slaves, brings equality to women, kills powerful rich people with dragon fire, what's not to like?), has grown and learns from her mistakes, but she is too focused on it, and keeps making new mistakes. Plus she has alienated a lot of people in the coalition. Jon will always do the right thing but rushes into things. Cercei will outsmart him every day, just as Bolton did.

Sansa has trained for this - she learned from Cercei, from her own mistakes and illusions, from Littlefinger, from Bolton (can't even remember his name now, as the song goes...and as she predicted to him...), from Jon. She has gained governing experience, and she, and only she can outwit Cercei, and somehow that will be the lynchpin of the last episodes. Tyrion has divided loyalties, just as she told him - he is torn in four directions: her, his own family, Danaerys, and the best thing for everyone. Like Hamlet in the end he won't be able to choose. That was the point Shakespeare wanted to make about intellectuals I think, they see every side of every issue (to be or not to be should be a no-brainer to anyone else). Varys has been totally wasted by the show for two entire seasons now. Sansa is now the smartest person in the room.

Her on the throne, Tyrion as hand, maybe as husband, and Arya as head of her Queen's Guard. That is my prediction. And the roles of the two sisters align with Shakespearean politics too - the real answer to the problem posed by Hamlet is Edgar in King Lear. He has been a noble, then a homeless vagabond, iterinant wandering migrant worker, soldier, diplomat and in the end only he has the life experience to sit on the throne after everyone else (SPOILER ALERT FOR KING LEAR AND HAMLET !) are dead, just as they all die in Hamlet as well because there is no Edgar there.

Read the Autobiography of Malcolm X to understand fully what Sansa, Arya and one or two other characters maybe have become. From a plummet into the depths, they have gained the life experience to permit them, like Edgar and like Malcolm X to become leaders at the world level or play a major role in the world. That is what GOT is REALLY about.
5/3/2019 6:17 AM
Please. There are 5-6 Breaking Bad episodes at least that put that to shame

Firstly, if yer gonna have an epic battle, at least light the thing properly.
5/3/2019 11:52 AM
Yeah, we've already established that I don't like Breaking Bad. To each his or her own.

But just in terms of subject matter -

GOT: battle to defend the entire world of the living against death, even as the question of good government and evil self-serving government remains to be settled. Plus, people who have descended into violent and unethical behavior, but some of whom have found ways to redeem themselves and show willingness to sacrifice their lives for others to protect the world.

Breaking Bad - people who have descended into violent and unethical behavior.

I love the Godfather movies, well, the first two. But the Godfather, great as it is, will never be as great as Casablanca, even though the writing and dialogue are much better.

Why?

Casablanca - fate of humanity, world war 2, freedom and democracy against Nazism at stake, people having to make their life choices under the shadow of these issues, and showing the ability to rise above their singular interests.

Godfather - which Mafia family will be on top? Singular interests are all there are.

5/3/2019 7:20 PM
oh no

can the reluctant heir preserve the fortune shepherd the family and surpass the father
5/3/2019 10:11 PM
Posted by bagchucker on 5/3/2019 10:11:00 PM (view original):
oh no

can the reluctant heir preserve the fortune shepherd the family and surpass the father
That's a singular interest. There are no wider social, ethical, humanist, or universal questions involved, and no one seeks nor receives redemption by acting in a more upright way, not even Michael Corleone in Godfather III when he tries to save the Pope.
5/4/2019 7:25 AM
Anyway, where are all the Game of Thrones fans here at WIS?

No one has any comment on my main point, which had nothing to do with this debate, but was about my theory of why Sansa will end up on the Iron Throne?
5/4/2019 7:26 AM
Euron will marry Cercei , then kill her, and take the throne
5/4/2019 7:57 AM
Posted by bronxcheer on 5/4/2019 7:57:00 AM (view original):
Euron will marry Cercei , then kill her, and take the throne
Interesting call. Very plausible.
5/4/2019 1:14 PM
its funny

i am just now getting around to watching The Sopranos

yall are like a generation ahead of me in TV time

or behind. do we really need dragons

how i know there's dragons is sports talk radio tells me

mother*ckers got baseball every day and they gotta tell me bout anything but

NFL and dragons is the new booze and hoors
5/5/2019 1:47 PM
The Sopranos is mostly filmed in my hometown.

The Dragons are pretty cool really. Plus they help liberate slaves. Which is always a good thing.
5/5/2019 6:51 PM
Posted by bronxcheer on 5/4/2019 7:57:00 AM (view original):
Euron will marry Cercei , then kill her, and take the throne
Starting to think the Night King wasn't so bad.
5/6/2019 9:19 AM
GOT show runners to LOST show runners on how NOT to wrap a great show:

"Hold my Beer."
5/13/2019 10:03 AM
Final scene of GOT: Ned Stark approaches a boy laying at the foot of a tower. It's Bran!!! Ned slaps him on the face to wake him up. Bran groggily shakes his head, opens his eyes, recognizes Ned. "Dad,", he says, "you'll never believe the crazy dream I just had..."
5/15/2019 11:37 AM
Posted by FatDad on 5/13/2019 10:03:00 AM (view original):
GOT show runners to LOST show runners on how NOT to wrap a great show:

"Hold my Beer."
Not even close. It's a bit rushed for sure but it's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be.
5/15/2019 11:59 AM
I disagree. No build to such a dramatic shift. Subtle hints mean nothing if there is no reasoning. This was really out of the blue. It plain killed my interest. I'll wait for the books, will probably never see them though.

I was with the series from the beginning. Every episode but the last I've watched twice. most I have watched several times. This "twist" completely makes me disinterested. I will not watch the final.

So to you, "...it's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be" is your feelings/opinion. I guess I'm happy for you.

But for me, it ruined it.

I'm all for a hero to villain thing. But I absolutely HATE the last minute illogical twists just to stun that ruins the long play narrative.
5/15/2019 1:41 PM
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