HD: NC at a D baseline school
GD: NC at a non-elite
HBD: Commissioner of a world that consistently fills in under a week

Three peat!

Undefeated season is one. Pretty simple, but that is the only one achievement I can brag about.

Having been a commissioner of a couple HBD worlds, I can say for certain that is pretty much true.

Coaching at the same HD school, Stony Brook(Crum), by Kermit, for the past 100 seasons. Proving that winning isn't everything in the world of Great Accomplishments!!!

One accomplishment I'm not sure anyone has done is to win a D1, D2, and D3 title in the same world. Not sure it qualifies as Mt Rushmore status but I think it'd be cool feat to pull off.

I went to 5 straight Final Fours with Northwestern in Crum. 3 title games, one National Championship. Am pretty darn proud of that considering the volatility of HD version 3.0.

I only have a team in one world, so I don’t know if they sustained success has been replicated anywhere else. Maybe it’s not that unusual.

Posted by jimmychino on 6/25/2019 3:19:00 PM (view original):
I went to 5 straight Final Fours with Northwestern in Crum. 3 title games, one National Championship. Am pretty darn proud of that considering the volatility of HD version 3.0.

I only have a team in one world, so I don’t know if they sustained success has been replicated anywhere else. Maybe it’s not that unusual.

This is one of the most incredible things I've heard of so far.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 6/25/2019 2:43:00 PM (view original):
One accomplishment I'm not sure anyone has done is to win a D1, D2, and D3 title in the same world. Not sure it qualifies as Mt Rushmore status but I think it'd be cool feat to pull off.

I would like to know if this is the case. It might be a fun thing to strive toward.

Posted by ab90 on 6/25/2019 8:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jimmychino on 6/25/2019 3:19:00 PM (view original):
I went to 5 straight Final Fours with Northwestern in Crum. 3 title games, one National Championship. Am pretty darn proud of that considering the volatility of HD version 3.0.

I only have a team in one world, so I don’t know if they sustained success has been replicated anywhere else. Maybe it’s not that unusual.

This is one of the most incredible things I've heard of so far.

you seem genuinely interested, so i'll share a little info. there are numerous amazing feats in this game - probably low-double digits of 3peats. there are also numerous seasons where teams won 3-4 titles in 10 years or 6+ in 20 years. and then there are some runs, maybe a half dozen, that are so amazing it would probably blow your mind. here are what i'd consider the two gold standard 10 year runs for higher and lower divisions (these are debatable, but they are certainly way, way up there) -

- in d2, rails in tark (w chester pa) had a stretch of 8 titles in 9 years, including the game's only 5 peat up until that point in time, a record which held for another 10 years or so (i think it was also the first 3peat in the game, which shows how insane it was he got 5). he had a 3peat in that stretch, which for a while gave him maybe like 2 of the game's only 3-4 3peats or something like that.

- in d1, i had a run at kansas in tark, where i had a run of 10 seasons where i made 9 final fours and won 7 titles, including the game's only d1 5peat.

back in the day, i compiled some VERY extensive lists of some amazing stuff. this including things like longest run of NT or elite 8 appearances, to the top 50 teams in every division of every world in the last 5, 10 and 20 seasons - even the best 100 teams by division across all 10 worlds. i am 99% sure i put together the game's only cross-world dynasty rankings, which had to include a fairly complex world strength factor, to allow comparisons across worlds with a very competitive 200 coaches or worlds with a very low competition (in those times) 11 coaches.

here are some links - note that some links on some pages point to wisjournal.com which doesn't exist - just change those URLs to whatifsports.com.

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=409496 - dynasty list index and more, the thread that started it all and has all the rankings i ever published (although some cannot be viewed i think from the new forums they put in like 7 years ago). go down to the bottom of page 1 to find the most recent.

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=492912&TopicsTimeframe=30 - the top 100 all time runs over 10 years, per division (only caveat is a team can't appear twice - so if a dude has an insane 20 year run, his best 10 year run makes the list; the same school from the same world can't appear twice - practically speaking, this is not a problem). the entries are of the format like this: 2 460 Georgia Tech ACC-5-71 stewdog
which means that in 2nd place, with 460 points, is GA tech in world 5 (rupp i think?), in the stretch of seasons that begins season 71 (so 71-80), by coach stewdog (multiple coaches can be listed if multiple contributed).

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=492913&TopicsTimeframe=30 - the top 100 all time runs over 20 years, per division (same caveat as above). there is an insane run by hofhof at syracuse, its the #1 run in d1, you guys should check it out. if someone can paste the history of some of these top-5 ranking teams, on either of these lists, i'd appreciate that - because i think ab would enjoy seeing it.

both of the above look to be just over 3 years old, but they give some historical context.

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=490640&TopicsTimeframe=30&TopicsPage=3 - 3.5 year old list (most recent) of 'longest streaks' - like who made how many NTs in a row. notably, it does not include the 1st place d1 5 streak on titles and title games from that run i mentioned earlier. otherwise, i suspect the list holds up pretty well - probably 90% of the top 10 spots would still be held by these folks, if i ran this today.

i may run it again here soon - i'm sure people would like to know top programs in the 3.0 era - which would be annoying for me to calculate - but i could do a cross-world current 20 year dynasty list, which is one of the ones i always did (so its 'free' if i can find the program and if it still runs with the new whatifsports site) - that would basically tell you, of all the 1/day worlds, who is best in 3.0, and giving the 2/day worlds a shot only in their last 20 seasons.

Posted by ab90 on 6/25/2019 8:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by darnoc29099 on 6/25/2019 2:43:00 PM (view original):
One accomplishment I'm not sure anyone has done is to win a D1, D2, and D3 title in the same world. Not sure it qualifies as Mt Rushmore status but I think it'd be cool feat to pull off.

I would like to know if this is the case. It might be a fun thing to strive toward.

also P.S. myself and a number of others (i forget who) have pulled this off, 3 titles in 1 world.

correction on last post - the format was the STARTING season of the run, not the ending season! so for example 2 460 Georgia Tech ACC-5-71 means the run started in season 71, not ended in 71 - sorry bout that.

this is gonna be long, but i used to lap this stuff up, i figure some folks will be interested to see some of the history. so, i'll post some of those history pages i asked other folks to do in my last post (still hope others do more! there are so many amazing runs!). im going to use tark as an example but someone should REALLY at least post hofhofs 20 and 30 year runs at syracuse, they are insane! im using tark because 1) i have access and 2) i know it like the back of my hand so i can find stuff easily and provide a bunch of back story, which hopefully at least 1 person finds interesting, and 3) tark is where an awful lot of legendary **** happened.

to you newer folks, tark is definitely the legendary world, if there is such a thing - it was the only new world for the longest time (the first 7 opened about all together, then there was 1 new world 5+ years later, and no more for close to 5 more years or whatever). also, tark was the first 2/day world and the only for almost 5 years or whatever. so, many coaches really wanted to try a new world, and as a result, tark became a home of many of the game's elite coaches, and of many of the legendary runs in the game history. here are the 6 legendary runs i can rattle off from tark. this excludes some amazing stuff like 3 titles in 10 years but still, these achievements are all top 10 caliber achievements all time (they probably all 6 make the top 10 cut - and include you know, as many as like 4 of the top 5 or something - hence why i call tark the legendary world).

the 3 classic runs that were happening right as i was starting (~11 years ago), that set the gold standard for all coaches to come - which were at the time by a MILE the greatest runs ever, there was no question -

OR (oldresorter) - his legendary d3 run that remains to this day (or at least 3 years ago) the greatest all time 20 year run in d3 history. west conn st in d3 tark (i don't even have to look this up, his run and rails's run at d2 were happening right when i was starting, which is what made me know such domination is possible, and lead me down the path to do so myself):

21	ryan75	30-3	11-2	13-0	6-1	14-2	3	27	173	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
20	ryan75	30-5	9-2	13-2	8-1	14-2	3	3	5	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Championship Game)
19	ryan75	27-6	11-2	10-3	6-1	14-2	5	4	11	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
18	ryan75	33-1	13-0	13-0	7-1	16-0	1	1	7	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
17	ryan75	28-5	9-2	14-1	5-2	15-1	6	5	10	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Final Four)
16	ryan75	33-2	9-0	15-2	9-0	16-0	1	1	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
15	ryan75	35-0	10-0	16-0	9-0	16-0	1	1	8	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
14	ryan75	31-1	13-0	13-0	5-1	16-0	3	2	15	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
13	ryan75	32-2	10-0	15-1	7-1	16-0	2	3	10	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
12	ryan75	27-4	9-1	14-2	4-1	16-0	6	6	32	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
11	ryan75	31-3	11-0	13-2	7-1	16-0	1	2	10	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
10	ryan75	33-2	10-0	15-1	8-1	16-0	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
9	ryan75	28-4	12-0	11-3	5-1	16-0	3	5	27	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
8	ryan75	33-2	9-0	15-2	9-0	16-0	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
7	ryan75	31-1	9-0	17-0	5-1	16-0	1	1	36	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
6	ryan75	30-1	13-0	13-0	4-1	16-0	4	17	292	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
5	oldresorter	34-1	16-1	9-0	9-0	15-1	1	1	17	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
4	oldresorter	35-0	18-0	8-0	9-0	16-0	1	1	33	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
3	oldresorter	28-4	15-2	8-1	5-1	14-2	4	9	84	A	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
2	oldresorter	32-2	13-0	12-1	7-1	15-1	8	1	110	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion

both coaches there are OR. look at that. 8 titles and 12 final fours in 20 seasons. amazing. some interesting facts about that run. the run on one hand is understated - tark d3 was hit IMMEDIATELY by virtually all of the games' great coaches who were really into the game at the time. it was the only new world ever, it was a must-see event for everyone who was anyone. a lot of coaches were rushing up to d2/d1, but a lot of really good coaches were starting and trying for d3 dynasties - and they all started on level playing fields (unlike when coaches walk into an established world). the fact that this run is STILL the #1 all time run over 20 seasons, by the cross world historical dynasty rankings, is pretty damn amazing - once you set a bar like this, it makes it easier for the next guy to clear it. the only controversy was that it was a bit of a weird time, where you could 'pulldown' players from higher divisions to your team - but few people knew of the tactic. then, the game's admin and creator said he took this functionality out, and it was impossible - but in reality he just had changed it. a small number of really smart coaches figured this out, and absolutely destroyed - it was basically an unovercomeable advantage, between knowing and not knowing. still, with how competitive d3 tark was at a whole, this is one incredible run that has truly withstood the test of time.



here's rails at w chester pa, the d2 run i mentioned a bit ago:

19	Rails	33-2	12-1	12-1	9-0	15-1	1	1	13	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
18	Rails	34-2	11-2	14-0	9-0	14-2	1	2	4	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
17	Rails	28-7	9-2	11-4	8-1	14-2	2	2	1	A+	NT At-large Bid National Champion
16	Rails	27-5	9-3	13-1	5-1	15-1	6	7	14	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
15	Rails	33-2	13-1	11-1	9-0	15-1	1	1	4	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
14	Rails	35-0	14-0	12-0	9-0	16-0	1	1	14	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
13	Rails	33-2	12-1	13-0	8-1	15-1	1	1	6	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
12	Rails	34-1	12-0	13-1	9-0	16-0	1	1	9	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
11	Rails	33-2	14-1	10-1	9-0	15-1	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
10	Rails	33-2	11-0	14-1	8-1	16-0	1	1	24	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Championship Game)

i mean... wow. 9 title games, 8 titles, in 10 years. how much better can you get? amazingly, this only ranks #2 on the all time 10 year d2 dynasty list, but it is the gold standard of d2/d3 runs. the same circumstance with pulldowns was in effect, which definitely helped make this possible. but what is crazy is, seeing his teams then, it made the run even more impressive. people legitimately discussed if rails could win a d1 NT. probably wouldn't, but he had teams people rated as s16/e8 type teams. IMO, there has never been a program who was so much more talented than their competition, in the history of the game, than rails was here. it was like david vs goliath if david got 9 other davids and goalith got 9 mes (i am... not good at basketball... to put it mildly). pretty incredible, and this has also stood the test of time. i looked a bit more - i believe at the time of that 5peat - NOBODY EVEN HAD A 3 PEAT! OR got one shortly after, but rail's then got the games' 3rd 3peat right after. just insane.




OR at uconn in tark - the gold standard for d1 runs for the first many years of the game.

27	oldresorter	29-6	10-1	10-5	9-0	13-3	1	1	4	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
26	oldresorter	22-8	11-1	9-5	2-2	13-3	13	10	29	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
25	oldresorter	28-6	9-0	13-4	6-2	15-1	4	3	5	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Final Four)
24	oldresorter	26-6	9-3	12-2	5-1	12-4	6	7	19	A+	CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
23	oldresorter	30-5	11-2	10-3	9-0	13-3	1	2	6	A+	CT Champion National Champion
22	oldresorter	21-9	10-2	9-5	2-2	10-6		36	59	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
21	oldresorter	29-6	9-2	12-3	8-1	13-3	2	1	1	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
20	oldresorter	21-9	12-2	7-5	2-2	11-5	24	18	18	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
19	oldresorter	27-7	9-2	11-4	7-1	14-2	2	4	7	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
18	oldresorter	32-2	12-0	13-1	7-1	15-1	1	1	8	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
17	oldresorter	34-1	12-0	13-1	9-0	15-1	1	2	8	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
16	oldresorter	31-4	9-4	13-0	9-0	15-1	2	2	7	A-	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion

as you can see, he picked up a 3peat there - the first ever in d1, a record that stood for easily more than 5 years, i think. d1 was so much more competitive at the high end in those days, because top coaches flocked there - and because d2/d3 were a bit plagued by the pulldown stuff, so the top tier of competitors was much fewer. many considered ORs 3 peat to top rails's 5peat. OR also won 5 in 8, which was the best X titles in Y years run in d1 for easily more than 5 years, i think. in the 12 years shown here (it was the 8 that he was really known for), he had 6 titles and 8 final fours. this title came at a time when the first new world ever had all the top coaches in the game racing to be first at an a+ elite d1 school, racing to dominate the world early. as a result ,there were a lesser set of established d1 teams when OR did this, which hurts the calculated world strength and i believe drops this run to the bottom of the top 10. however, what you cannot deny is, many if not most of the top d1 coaches in the game were racing to do what OR did, and OR just flat our massacred everyone. he didn't beat the #2 guy by an inch - he dominated so hard he was basically beating the entire field all by himself. a field which again, includes an extremely motivated set of coaches which included an out sized portion of the games' top guys at the time.

these 3 runs set the standard, when i started, it was these 3 by a mile, and nothing came close. but, i did my best to change that - i started around season 13 or something in tark, and saw these guys destroying, and thus, i believed it was possible. here is where i came in:




myself (coach_billyg) at SIUE in d2 tark. this run is ranked the #1 all time 10 and 20 year run in d2 by the dynasty rankings, but i feel comfortable saying rail's run is d2's gold standard for 10 years (mine is for 20), because you know, its my run i am putting behind his :) there really remains no competitor to these 2 runs even to this day in d2, as far as i know. this is a large 21 season slice, but its a 14 season stretch that is the impressive part.

45	coach_billyg	32-3	8-1	15-2	9-0	15-1	1	1	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
44	coach_billyg	25-8	8-2	12-4	5-2	11-5	10	7	3	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)
43	coach_billyg	32-3	9-0	15-2	8-1	16-0	2	1	7	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Championship Game)
42	coach_billyg	31-2	11-0	14-1	6-1	16-0	3	1	5	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
41	coach_billyg	33-2	9-0	15-2	9-0	16-0	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
40	coach_billyg	22-10	8-2	10-6	4-2	14-2	12	8	1	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)
39	coach_billyg	28-7	9-2	10-5	9-0	15-1	1	2	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
38	coach_billyg	34-1	12-0	13-1	9-0	16-0	1	1	3	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
37	coach_billyg	35-0	8-0	18-0	9-0	16-0	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
36	coach_billyg	27-8	8-3	11-4	8-1	11-5	4	4	2	A+	CT Champion NT (Final Four)
35	coach_billyg	31-3	9-0	15-2	7-1	15-1	3	1	3	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
34	coach_billyg	29-6	11-0	9-6	9-0	14-2	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
33	coach_billyg	33-2	10-0	14-2	9-0	15-1	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
32	coach_billyg	25-7	10-1	11-4	4-2	13-3	4	3	6	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)
31	coach_billyg	19-11	8-2	9-7	2-2	13-3		22	8	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
30	coach_billyg	28-5	8-3	14-1	6-1	14-2	5	3	5	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
29	coach_billyg	34-1	8-0	17-1	9-0	16-0	1	1	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
28	coach_billyg	24-7	8-1	12-5	4-1	13-3	12	10	32	A-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
27	coach_billyg	17-14	8-3	6-10	3-1	10-6		74	56	A-	PI (1st Round)
26	coach_billyg	23-9	7-2	11-6	5-1	13-3	12	9	6	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
25	coach_billyg	33-2	8-1	16-1	9-0	14-2	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion

this run was special for a few reasons. first off, this was my first d2 program ever, and remains my only long term (more than 5 seasons) d2 program ever. so, having a relative rookie (relative to greats like OR and rails!) pull this off definitely adds an element. i started d2 in season 19, so i had 6 seasons before my first title in season 25 and the magic really happens at 33. at season 32, i started a run of 14 elite 8s, which was the longest in the history of the game and a record that held for 5+ years, i think. inside of that, i had a 7 season run of final 4s, which was also the longest in the history of the game and a record that held for at least 3+ years. in that 7 season run, was a 3peat and 2 other titles (so 7 final fours and 5 titles in 7 years), which gave me the 10 year run of 6 titles, 8 final fours, and 10 elite 8s that is good for #1 all time on the dynasty list to this day. i had 9 titles in those 21 years, but taking the best slice of 20 is still good for the top spot on the all time 20 year d2 run (and i must add, it holds that top spot by about double the margin of the leading d1/d3 teams! d2 tark was SUPER competitive at the time, which helped world strength).

on the down side, part of this success happened right when potential came out. any time there is a new scheme, it is a lot easier for top coaches to absolutely demolish their competition. once the community at large starts to get their arms around it, it diminishes things. so that is something you could hold against this run, that you couldn't hold against say OR's uconn run, where the game was as it had been for years, and he was in a race with most of the best coaches, and he basically lapped everyone. but, i did this as a relative rookie, which i think makes it pretty special too (don't ask me how much time i spent in my early days - its beyond ridiculous!).



myself (gillispie) starting d1. some may not include this in today's all time greats, but IMO it absolutely should be. the greatest d1 accomplishment ever was OR's 5 in 8 titles in d1, and i pulled a 5 in 9, which was easily the #2 d1 achievement at the time. it spans 2 schools though, and i included a bit of extra context, because this is definitely the weirdest of the great runs.

36	gillispie	29-6	8-1	12-5	9-0	11-5	1	2	12	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
35	gillispie	30-5	8-1	13-4	9-0	14-2	1	1	3	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
34	gillispie	17-15	7-3	8-11	2-1	10-6		53	34	A	PI (3rd Round)
33	gillispie	28-7	8-0	12-6	8-1	12-4	1	2	5	A	NT At-large Bid National Champion
32	gillispie	19-12	7-6	8-5	4-1	9-7		69	62	A-	CT Champion NT (1st Round)
31	Sim AI	5-22	3-10	2-11	0-1	5-11		193	9	A
30	majresorter	23-7	11-0	10-5	2-2	14-2	10	2	19	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
29	majresorter	29-6	11-1	10-4	8-1	14-2	1	2	4	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
28	majresorter	21-10	12-3	6-5	3-2	10-6	8	25	18	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)
27	majresorter	24-8	14-1	6-5	4-2	12-4	6	9	11	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)

31	gillispie	32-3	9-2	14-1	9-0	15-1	1	1	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
30	gillispie	24-7	9-1	11-5	4-1	12-4	12	5	23	A	CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
29	gillispie	22-11	6-4	13-6	3-1	7-9		38	61	A	PI Champion
28	gillispie	34-1	8-1	17-0	9-0	15-1	1	1	56	A	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
27	gillispie	9-18	6-6	3-11	0-1	4-12		160	47	C+
26	gillispie	16-13	12-3	4-9	0-1	9-7		71	36	C+	PI (2nd Round)
25	DanNUandVT	13-14	10-3	3-10	0-1	8-8		123	59	C+
24	DanNUandVT	9-18	3-10	6-7	0-1	4-12		180	94	C+

this run is definitely somewhat diminished because in both cases, i did some winning with other peoples' recruits - with d1 recruiting being one of the biggest, most competitive draws in the whole game. winning didn't count the same if it wasn't with your guys. that said, how much of a rookie i was makes this a unique circumstance, and pretty insane on some level. d1 recruiting then, it was REALLY hard, and rookies got destroyed. prestige was a massive advantage.
so, here i come - 4 seasons of d1 in my life, at some **** little texas low major. its a crappy conf so i squeak in some CT wins and do well enough to quality for C+ colardo. the coach there leaves after some pretty poor seasons, but he was a solid recruiter - a solid recruiter but a weak coach. that first title i had at colorado, that is my 7th lifetime d1 season, that is probably my favorite title of all time. sure, a lot of the guys were the old coaches players - but he couldn't really get them to the NT. we were a lot less talented than other schools, because frankly, i was a disaster in recruiting. but i put out probably my best coaching job ever (stands to this day), and went 34-1 and won a title on C+ prestige recruited players - which in and of itself, was amazing.
but then, i followed that up by winning 4 more in 8 seasons. granted, my first title at a&m was also with other people's players. but then when i got my first shot at recruiting with a clue (now that i had a whopping 8 seasons of d1 recruiting in my life), i was able to win the back to back titles to pull in 5 titles in 9 years.

so, its a really weird run, spans 2 schools, 2 of the titles were with predominantly someone else's players. by the numbers, this is my 4th greatest accomplishment, and far behind my top 2 - but to me, it is definitely my #1. to win 5 titles in my first 15 seasons, in the ultra-competitive, already built-up d1 tark, where learning d1 was super hard and rookies got wrecked - it was pretty special!



and to close the tark elite runs out - my one run that some folks may remember, the gold standard for 10 year runs in d1 - gillispie1 at kansas -

113	gillispie1	31-2	15-0	10-1	6-1	16-0	1	1	17	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
112	gillispie1	32-3	14-1	9-2	9-0	14-2	1	1	10	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
111	gillispie1	32-3	11-0	13-2	8-1	14-2	1	1	2	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
110	gillispie1	33-2	12-0	13-1	8-1	16-0	1	1	3	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
109	gillispie1	33-1	10-0	16-0	7-1	16-0	1	1	7	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
108	gillispie1	27-4	9-1	14-2	4-1	14-2	8	2	2	A+	CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
107	gillispie1	34-1	11-0	14-1	9-0	16-0	1	1	11	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
106	gillispie1	29-5	8-1	14-3	7-1	14-2	3	3	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
105	gillispie1	28-6	11-0	10-5	7-1	14-2	3	2	4	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
104	gillispie1	30-5	9-1	13-3	8-1	14-2	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion

i think i said it backwards earlier, 5 peat first, but it was actually 5peat last. this is the 7 title, 9 final four stretch of 10 seasons that is good for the #1 spot on the all time cross world d1 dynasty list. d1 tark was in decline compared to some earlier times, but it was still pretty competitive. this was right before 3.0 came out, when 2.0 was very well established - which cuts both ways - some folks were discouraged towards the end of this time by 3.0 coming - but 2.0 was also very well known, and its typically hard to dominate once the community has caught up to the lead coaches in understanding the new stuff in the game. fun fact - a d1 3peat was about the only thing i felt i had left to prove, going into this run. i didn't really intend to ever get it, OR had the only one and that seemed about right, but then stewdog got it - and then a fourth title on top! i was amazed, and i was like - i have to have one! so that spurred me into action. OR broke the record with a 3peat like 8 years before stewdog beat his record, but poor stewdog, his record stood for like 12 months or something. although i'm sure he wasn't too beat up about it ;) that 4peat he had remains absolutely amazing and his GA tech program retains multiple top 5 spots on those all time dynasty list rankings (for different periods). i believe at this time we are up to 4 d1 3peats.



i think these really are 6 of the top 10 all time runs IMO, along with hofhof at cuse, stewdog at ga tech, maybe jsajsa at some d3 delware school to pick one of several options for the #2 d3 school run (i don't know what the 10th would be - there are numerous contenders IMO - some that could be higher that some of these, but i think these 9 have the strongest argument that they definitely should be included). can someone please post the history of those 3 runs so other folks can see them here?

i also think it would be great if some folks could post some history from like, some of the many amazing runs that may rank #10 to #50 in their respective divisions and all time lists. it shows another side of things, they are ultra impressive, and there are a lot of them - its not just a handful of super dominant runs at the top, there really are a LOT of elite performances (kind of getting back to the original post :)

Posted by ab90 on 6/25/2019 8:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by darnoc29099 on 6/25/2019 2:43:00 PM (view original):
One accomplishment I'm not sure anyone has done is to win a D1, D2, and D3 title in the same world. Not sure it qualifies as Mt Rushmore status but I think it'd be cool feat to pull off.

I would like to know if this is the case. It might be a fun thing to strive toward.

I know gillispie says it's been done, and he's probably right, but what made me think of this was it was a topic in the forums a few years ago and no one could find an example of a coach that had won a title at every division in the same world. I can only check Phelan and Crum's histories as those are the only worlds I'm in and I don't think anyone has done it there. Now, back in the day there were aliases galore and I don't remember all of them so if it was done in either of those worlds it was with a coach using multiple names.

The difficulty in repeated success in D1 in HD 3.0 is the difficulty in replacing EEs which drive sustained success. The more successful the program, the more difficult it is to replace players (at some point, you have very few seniors but lots of EEs which is almost impossible to open the number of needed recruits to replace those that leave (HD 2.0 was way easier in this regard).

Which makes my 43 consecutive seasons (and counting) at UCLA of Top 10 RPI plus Top 25 rank/SOS hard to duplicate.

Posted by buddhagamer on 6/25/2019 11:50:00 PM (view original):
The difficulty in repeated success in D1 in HD 3.0 is the difficulty in replacing EEs which drive sustained success. The more successful the program, the more difficult it is to replace players (at some point, you have very few seniors but lots of EEs which is almost impossible to open the number of needed recruits to replace those that leave (HD 2.0 was way easier in this regard).

Which makes my 43 consecutive seasons (and counting) at UCLA of Top 10 RPI plus Top 25 rank/SOS hard to duplicate.

that is damn impressive - just curious, there haven't been 43 seasons in 3.0 yet have there? im assuming a bit of that is a holdover from 2.0?

i think 3.0 is a lot different, and crushingly good runs at d1 are definitely a unique challenge. i probably will get off my rear end and do a set of 3.0 dynasty rankings, at some point.