How can a team be very high on a recruit, put 80 attn points on him and give playing time, starter, CV and numerous HV and then when it's signing time you go from Very High to moderate and another small school that is a C+ to where I am a C- goes from not even on the radar to very high and knocks me down to moderate? This recruiting **** is for the birds.

how many home visits? c+ vs c- isn't huge, he must have had a lot more HVs, or else he has that c+ vs c- and a bunch of preferences over you. what did your preferences look like?

also just to confirm, when you say 80 AP you mean per cycle, not total right?

from developer chat 9/27/16..it is what it is..

Why is recruiting now a random exercise, instead of a game? (wvufan76 - Hall of Famer - 12:02 PM)

We can assure you the recruiting process is sophisticated, intelligent and incorporates many factors. In the old system, whomever was "first" signed the recruit. In the new system, it's not guaranteed. That said, the leading school always has the best shot and how much better of a shot depends on how close the other schools are in terms of the interest they've put into the player. This was an important goal of the update, as we wanted to more closely resemble real life.

If you don't put 20 HV on, someone else probably will.

Yes the word "numerous" is the key here. If the opponent put in 20, and the word numerous for you was 6, it's easy to see why this happened.

Will you share the number of visits you offered? You can wait until recruiting is complete if you like

I currently have 600 attn points, 17 CV with five more to come next cycle, HV, promised start, promised minutes, 3 no preference, 3 neutral, 1 very good, and strong conference is the only bad preference.

Really should wait until recruiting is all done to disclose details. For your sake, as much as the fair play guidelines,

In general, if you’re getting locked out as a C- against a C+ (ie, if you can’t get above moderate even with max or near max effort) your rival has significant preference advantages, and/or has offered more promises.

You’re right, but figure I’m fighting a losing battle since he just came on the scene and knocked me down in a few cycles.

Posted by shoe3 on 8/26/2019 9:33:00 PM (view original):
Really should wait until recruiting is all done to disclose details. For your sake, as much as the fair play guidelines,

In general, if you’re getting locked out as a C- against a C+ (ie, if you can’t get above moderate even with max or near max effort) your rival has significant preference advantages, and/or has offered more promises.

this is a good point.

i will however say that generally the whole situation sucks surrounding this stuff, and 3.0 made it FAR worse. before, you might have to wait a day, few days tops, to discuss something that happened with 0 risk of impacting anything. often even waiting until after signings took away most of the risk (especially if both teams were clearly done), which often meant it was relatively safe to discuss something just a few hours after it happened.

during recruiting, it is almost impossible to be sure that almost any recruiting comment, other than a simple 'good luck confmates!' type deal, cannot result in information disclosure to some party. so much seems relatively innocent, but then if you really think about it, can find a way someone could get information they shouldn't have. in this thread, its pretty clearly crappy for the other team, if someone else they are battling were to notice this and know they must be heavily committed. so, it is definitely worth considering if anyone could be harmed by the comment - or even, if anyone could glean any info from it.

all that said, this is a for-fun game and i believe that needs to be the focus. sometimes folks act like we are gambling for thousands of dollars here, or something. its no fun to have something bad happen to someone in recruiting because someone accidentally gives away some info - but it also is no fun to be unable to talk about the most exciting part of the game. regarding fair play issues in general in this game, a small but important % of people are basically religious zealots, to the point where it is clearly not balanced or good for the game. people having fun, especially outside the absolute top echelon of competition, has got to be the priority, although clearly there needs to be balance with the fair play issues.

that said, in this case, the information disclosed is be pretty significant, and i would recommend waiting a couple days to post about it. i'm not sure about waiting until session 2 is over, it really seems like it would be bad for this game if nobody could talk about recruiting until after they'd already forgotten what happened.

I should've been more clear. I guess i was under the assumption that recruiting was likely over

Posted by franklynne on 8/26/2019 6:33:00 PM (view original):
from developer chat 9/27/16..it is what it is..

Why is recruiting now a random exercise, instead of a game? (wvufan76 - Hall of Famer - 12:02 PM)

We can assure you the recruiting process is sophisticated, intelligent and incorporates many factors. In the old system, whomever was "first" signed the recruit. In the new system, it's not guaranteed. That said, the leading school always has the best shot and how much better of a shot depends on how close the other schools are in terms of the interest they've put into the player. This was an important goal of the update, as we wanted to more closely resemble real life.

Thanks for posting this. Some of the things said here made me chuckle. Especially the part about making recruiting more closely resemble real life. Maybe for d1 this is true but that's about it

Posted by Benis on 8/27/2019 7:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by franklynne on 8/26/2019 6:33:00 PM (view original):
from developer chat 9/27/16..it is what it is..

Why is recruiting now a random exercise, instead of a game? (wvufan76 - Hall of Famer - 12:02 PM)

We can assure you the recruiting process is sophisticated, intelligent and incorporates many factors. In the old system, whomever was "first" signed the recruit. In the new system, it's not guaranteed. That said, the leading school always has the best shot and how much better of a shot depends on how close the other schools are in terms of the interest they've put into the player. This was an important goal of the update, as we wanted to more closely resemble real life.

Thanks for posting this. Some of the things said here made me chuckle. Especially the part about making recruiting more closely resemble real life. Maybe for d1 this is true but that's about it

I take it back. D1 doesn't produce realistic results either.

Well I went back up to high one cycle then back down to moderate one cycle. However, a recruit I was watching did just sign with a high over very high team and I was moderate in that battle. So now that it is over how do I tell the percentage he was considering each school?

Posted by Alabama_Lege on 8/27/2019 12:10:00 PM (view original):
Well I went back up to high one cycle then back down to moderate one cycle. However, a recruit I was watching did just sign with a high over very high team and I was moderate in that battle. So now that it is over how do I tell the percentage he was considering each school?

the considering tab shows the %s if you can see them, but i believe you have to be high or very high to see those. so im guessing you won't be able to see it.

" This was an important goal of the update, as we wanted to more closely resemble real life."
imho, i believe this statement is true..we're dealing with 18 y/o just out of high school youths here..if you as a coach believe that a recruit knows exactly what he wants at that age you're kidding yourself. i also think that if you believe every 4-5* recruit would prefer playing for a duke or kentucky, you just aren't in the real world. this is why i refuse to call these % win/loss odds as 'dice rolls'. being from akron oh & witnessing lebron's decision to go to miami to win championships after "promising" to remain at cleveland.. the cavs hiring the coach he wanted to help keep him there..also living thru the akron zip basketball rise to d1 status, when there was just 2 divs..major & small. back then as a small div school, akron had several player who could have played for a major university..some want to be a 'big fish in a small pond'..all this said i have 7 hd teams in 3.0..if 2.0 still existed i'd have maybe 2 'cause you vet coaches got whatever you wanted in recruiting (& wins)..at least i have a shot at competing today..rant over..