you really dont like mid-range centric guys, do you?

Posted by copernicus on 9/18/2019 10:46:00 PM (view original):
you really dont like mid-range centric guys, do you?

You really love expensive dudes from before the NBA-ABA merger, don’t you?

;)

Posted by robusk on 9/18/2019 10:19:00 PM (view original):
@dbkc: why Frazier there? Genuinely curious as you are a quality owner and I don’t know what he does that other undrafted-ish players do besides play a ton of minutes for a bunch of money.

How many undrafted guards with 90 D, solid efficiency, and decent assists/rebounds are out there? I don't have a strong opinion on Frazier but he tends to go once all the other guys who check those boxes are gone, which seems about right to me.

Posted by robusk on 9/18/2019 10:19:00 PM (view original):
@dbkc: why Frazier there? Genuinely curious as you are a quality owner and I don’t know what he does that other undrafted-ish players do besides play a ton of minutes for a bunch of money.

I want 3 good defenders who are versatile. PG/SF/C. I already had the SF/C and Frazier is 90 DEF at PG/SG and 98% at SF too. I didn’t need 3s or USG at PG, I didn’t need a heavy AST guy since Beal and Durant are both decent there, and I did need some ORB, DEF, and eFG from my PG. Walt is 90 D, 54.1 eFG, 21.5 AST and 4.2 ORB.

All I need is a low usage board lord PF (who can afford to be low D) imo

	DEF	Name	Team	Pos	Usage%	2pt%#	3pt%#	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
	90	Walt Frazier	69-70 Knicks	PG	20.8	55.1	33.6	54.1	4.2	10.2	21.5	1.8	0.5
	61	Bradley Beal	18-19 Wizards	SG	28.4	53.8	34.9	54.0	3.0	11.0	17.1	1.7	1.0
	90	Kevin Durant	17-18 Warriors	SF	30.4	55.7	41.6	58.6	1.5	18.0	17.7	0.9	2.7
		[click to draft]
	90	Rudy Gobert	18-19 Jazz	C	17.8	66.0	0.0	66.9	12.6	28.2	7.4	1.1	4.0

Posted by tarheel1991 on 9/18/2019 11:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 9/18/2019 10:19:00 PM (view original):
@dbkc: why Frazier there? Genuinely curious as you are a quality owner and I don’t know what he does that other undrafted-ish players do besides play a ton of minutes for a bunch of money.

How many undrafted guards with 90 D, solid efficiency, and decent assists/rebounds are out there? I don't have a strong opinion on Frazier but he tends to go once all the other guys who check those boxes are gone, which seems about right to me.

The whole "how many people exist with this exact search criteria" bit is tired and I think I have even pulled that card myself in the past sadly... but the real question though is: how many multi-position guards who: 1) play defense 2) pass and rebound 3) don't commit a bunch of fouls/turnovers 4) are rarely drafted or never drafted before the 6th and 5) aren't expensive as all hell... at least 6 I can think off the top of my head who are a lot cheaper.

It doesn’t matter for WIS purposes, but, Clyde could/can dress like no other....and the “Clydemobile” (bright burgundy and antelope Rolls) the man is/was king of cool

Walt gets to the line a lot for the shots he takes and probably rebounds better than the guys you’re thinking of, rob. His per minute price really isn’t that bad, and I tend to think that low foul guards are very important. If he can afford Frazier, he’s getting 37ish minutes of 90 D, .47 FTA/FGA and 20+ Ast%, and I love not wasting usage on guys who don’t score well.

And with that said, I would’ve moved KD to the 2 and picked Al Horford with Beal backing up KD. That would’ve been filthy.

I thought about moving KD to SG but I prefer the 17-18 one, and that version is only 97% at SG.

At the end of the day, my starting 5 eFG is 57.4 with 4 good passers and 3 versatile 90 D defenders. I’m happy with those numbers and I still have enough money to put a good bench together.

Posted by bds9992 on 9/19/2019 6:02:00 AM (view original):
Walt gets to the line a lot for the shots he takes and probably rebounds better than the guys you’re thinking of, rob. His per minute price really isn’t that bad, and I tend to think that low foul guards are very important. If he can afford Frazier, he’s getting 37ish minutes of 90 D, .47 FTA/FGA and 20+ Ast%, and I love not wasting usage on guys who don’t score well.

RL FTAs don't translate very well in the SIM and are usually a waste of money.

Posted by dBKC on 9/19/2019 7:32:00 AM (view original):
I thought about moving KD to SG but I prefer the 17-18 one, and that version is only 97% at SG.

At the end of the day, my starting 5 eFG is 57.4 with 4 good passers and 3 versatile 90 D defenders. I’m happy with those numbers and I still have enough money to put a good bench together.

If you are using everyone's best season, you already have less than $125k/min/82 left to spend on your bench by my count. That isn't enough in my opinion and is less than anyone except for NotoriousJ at this stage in the game. You know what you are doing though so you don't need my help. I was just curious. Thanks for chiming in. I am looking forward to seeing the outcome.

Posted by robusk on 9/19/2019 9:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bds9992 on 9/19/2019 6:02:00 AM (view original):
Walt gets to the line a lot for the shots he takes and probably rebounds better than the guys you’re thinking of, rob. His per minute price really isn’t that bad, and I tend to think that low foul guards are very important. If he can afford Frazier, he’s getting 37ish minutes of 90 D, .47 FTA/FGA and 20+ Ast%, and I love not wasting usage on guys who don’t score well.

RL FTAs don't translate very well in the SIM and are usually a waste of money.

True, because the other team may have more and there are only so many in a given game. I've definitely seen evidence of FTr (i.e. FTA/FGA ratio) though, which is why Dwight and DeAndre can get to the line more than they take a field goal attempt. If there only so many shots the SIM will give you in any given game, there are only so many free throw attempts that will come from those shots. If you have a guy who takes a lot of shots but rarely gets to the line, there will be less shots (and hence less FTAs) for players who would get to the line in real life. There's no question that Tyson and DeAndre get to the line a lot for players with such low usage, and there's no doubt that Magic and Shaq will get to the line. The question is if you've allotted enough usage for guys to get enough shots to go to the line. It's nice to add a guy like Shawn Kemp or Buck Williams, because they make up for their fouls with FTAs. If you don't draft a lot of fouls, I don't think you need free throws as much.

But, this is a theory we can test. Try drafting a team with no drafted players over 400 FTAs. If it can win 48 games in any league, I stand corrected.

By my count I have about $156k/82

Am I doing the math right? I don’t work with per/82 myself. I need about 5900 minutes and I have $11,232,934 left.

69-70 Frazier
18-19 Beal
17-18 Durant
78-79 Unseld
18-19 Gobert
= 13376 mins at $35.7m

I still don’t get the Walt hate. Medium usage, 54.1 eFG, 21.5 AST, 90 D, can guard 3 positions, good rebounding for a PG.

Posted by bds9992 on 9/19/2019 10:11:00 AM (view original):
But, this is a theory we can test. Try drafting a team with no drafted players over 400 FTAs. If it can win 48 games in any league, I stand corrected.

I recently won 71 games in an open league without a single player over 400 FTAs. Not the same thing as a draft league, but your theory isn't how the sim does free throws. Your fouls have no correlation to your own free throw attempts.