interesting, i think the game basically has logic built in that says something like 'let the old coach instantly take back his old team if and only if there are no outstanding applications'.

essentially, once you apply, he should not be able to get the job back. however, he can re-apply and beat you based on resume.

the thing im not sure is the propagation speed. so, if he goes and reclaims the team after failing to renew, do you instantly see it come down off the job board? one would think yes, but maybe not? maybe that's where the problem is?

when you say, when the jobs get processed - do you mean the very next cycle or like a day later? if its the latter, sounds like he's beating you on resume.

it sounds to me like the coach is continuously re-taking their own program. i wonder if there is some benefit there. does he get session 2 money or something?

if you don't mind me asking, what team are we talking about here?

Posted by gillispie1 on 10/4/2019 5:39:00 PM (view original):
it sounds to me like the coach is continuously re-taking their own program. i wonder if there is some benefit there. does he get session 2 money or something?

if you don't mind me asking, what team are we talking about here?

From what I've been told it works like this......

Scenario 1) Coach A doesn't renew. Jobs comes around and Coach A applies for the same job. No other coaches apply for that job........ nothing changes.

Scenario 2) Coach A doesn't renew. Jobs comes around and Coach A applies for the same job. But now Coach B, C, D, and/or etc. apply for that job. Now it becomes a real hiring process. If Coach A "wins" the job back in this situation, over the other applicants, then he is then looked at as a NEW hire. And he DOES get full recruiting benefits for a second time in that same season. I "assume" his loyalty/reputation would reset as a new coach. But I don't know this part for sure.

So if Coach A happens to be the best coach in that world, he'll likely get the job over anyone that applies anyways. So he'd get even more of a benefit which kinda sucks.

In this case, if Coach A in fact IS the best coach (or one of the best), I'd say it's possible he's doing it on purpose with hopes that another coach applies, because he feels he'll get the job anyways. If Coach A is a mediocre coach, he's probably just lazy and forgets to renew and it's no big deal.

This is a terrible "loop hole" if you wanna call it that. And ballsy if a coach actually does this as strategy really!

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/5/2019 9:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 10/4/2019 5:39:00 PM (view original):
it sounds to me like the coach is continuously re-taking their own program. i wonder if there is some benefit there. does he get session 2 money or something?

if you don't mind me asking, what team are we talking about here?

From what I've been told it works like this......

Scenario 1) Coach A doesn't renew. Jobs comes around and Coach A applies for the same job. No other coaches apply for that job........ nothing changes.

Scenario 2) Coach A doesn't renew. Jobs comes around and Coach A applies for the same job. But now Coach B, C, D, and/or etc. apply for that job. Now it becomes a real hiring process. If Coach A "wins" the job back in this situation, over the other applicants, then he is then looked at as a NEW hire. And he DOES get full recruiting benefits for a second time in that same season. I "assume" his loyalty/reputation would reset as a new coach. But I don't know this part for sure.

So if Coach A happens to be the best coach in that world, he'll likely get the job over anyone that applies anyways. So he'd get even more of a benefit which kinda sucks.

In this case, if Coach A in fact IS the best coach (or one of the best), I'd say it's possible he's doing it on purpose with hopes that another coach applies, because he feels he'll get the job anyways. If Coach A is a mediocre coach, he's probably just lazy and forgets to renew and it's no big deal.

This is a terrible "loop hole" if you wanna call it that. And ballsy if a coach actually does this as strategy really!

i think in scenario 2, if coach A is the first coach, he automatically gets the job.

so you are thinking the coach gets the full money in session 2? that would be quite a loophole indeed. its ballsy unless you are already at the top, in which case it seems pretty exploitable and messed up. the younger version of me would have to immediately go do it just on principle to force a change.

Somebody send a ticket and report back.

i would need confirmation of how it works and to be able to coherently explain why this is exploitable enough that it needs to be fixed.

in d1, i think the argument is decently clear but not the best. at uconn, nobody could beat my resume so i could have done this every year without risk, but most high d1 schools would be taking a risk and it seems unlikely it would be worth it as those jobs are so highly coveted.

i can see how in d1 folks who do take that risk could exploit it fairly easily - spend 100% of funds in session 1 on session 1 targets, just enough to unlock a few late targets, particularly an international. then in session 2 you can dump a whole new set of funds into those late players without reprisal. but most coaches at high d1 wouldn't want to risk their programs, and some late players have lots of AP stockpiled and you'd still have to be strategic to pick winners. does that track - any more to it, any way to make it better?

in d2/d3, 100% of coaches would be taking a risk of losing their school, but people also step down a lot less - and the jobs are *way* less coveted. unless you are in one of the handful of full conferences, it feels relatively low risk to be doing this - the people who would apply would be having less success than you, in like 98% of the cases - i think?

whats the exploit in d2/d3 though, i've never recruited. aren't most of the best players session 2 (last day) anyway? i guess in session 1, you could scout and then get another set of scouting money in session 2? you could also scour your own division, recruiting session 1 players, and basically that entire exercise would be 'free', as you'd get a new slate for session 2?

I will add that in the examples I've heard of this happening, it wasn't D1. But I've heard about the full resources being replenished.

But, I don't think it's true that if someone applies first to a job they already had, while someone else also applies, that the original coach gets the job back automatically. I do not know if that is true or false for a fact.

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/6/2019 10:23:00 PM (view original):
I will add that in the examples I've heard of this happening, it wasn't D1. But I've heard about the full resources being replenished.

But, I don't think it's true that if someone applies first to a job they already had, while someone else also applies, that the original coach gets the job back automatically. I do not know if that is true or false for a fact.

i am almost positive that you can get your job back instantly if nobody else applied yet.

Posted by gillispie1 on 10/7/2019 5:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/6/2019 10:23:00 PM (view original):
I will add that in the examples I've heard of this happening, it wasn't D1. But I've heard about the full resources being replenished.

But, I don't think it's true that if someone applies first to a job they already had, while someone else also applies, that the original coach gets the job back automatically. I do not know if that is true or false for a fact.

i am almost positive that you can get your job back instantly if nobody else applied yet.

Agreed. But I thought you said that if you don't renew, and someone else DOES apply, you'd automatically get your job back if you applied. Basically trumping anyone else from getting the job simply because you were the previous coach.

I don't believe that to be true. But I thought you had said that. My error if I misinterpreted your comment