Thanks topdog. I hate to admit I just don’t pay that close of attention to it. I’ll check it out though.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/20/2019 2:55:00 PM (view original):
I think the only part you’re wrong about is that it doesn’t have to be the same cycle that you offer the scholarship, but it can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship. I do agree that the scholarship provides a boost though, as I’ve experienced what you have, but I think it provides boost the cycle that the scholarship is offered as any cycle AFTER that.

This is the wording that might confuse folks, I think. The “boost” is really just a pile of stand-alone effort credit, like a promised start. It doesn’t go anywhere, it always applies, and it doesn’t change the value of any other effort.

For example, let’s say I build up enough effort credit to offer a scholarship to a player after 5 cycles with 54 total AP. On that 5th cycle, I am 27% of the way to a CV. I offer the scholarship, and keep 10 AP on him, and now after 6 cycles, 64 AP and a scholarship, I’m 98% of the way to unlocking the CV.

If I take the AP off, I will stay at 98%. My “boost” doesn’t go anywhere. Similarly, if I decline to offer the scholarship when it first opens, I don’t lose any part of the potential pile of effort credit I will get when I offer.

Posted by shoe3 on 10/20/2019 5:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/20/2019 2:55:00 PM (view original):
I think the only part you’re wrong about is that it doesn’t have to be the same cycle that you offer the scholarship, but it can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship. I do agree that the scholarship provides a boost though, as I’ve experienced what you have, but I think it provides boost the cycle that the scholarship is offered as any cycle AFTER that.

This is the wording that might confuse folks, I think. The “boost” is really just a pile of stand-alone effort credit, like a promised start. It doesn’t go anywhere, it always applies, and it doesn’t change the value of any other effort.

For example, let’s say I build up enough effort credit to offer a scholarship to a player after 5 cycles with 54 total AP. On that 5th cycle, I am 27% of the way to a CV. I offer the scholarship, and keep 10 AP on him, and now after 6 cycles, 64 AP and a scholarship, I’m 98% of the way to unlocking the CV.

If I take the AP off, I will stay at 98%. My “boost” doesn’t go anywhere. Similarly, if I decline to offer the scholarship when it first opens, I don’t lose any part of the potential pile of effort credit I will get when I offer.

Agreed.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/20/2019 2:55:00 PM (view original):
I think the only part you’re wrong about is that it doesn’t have to be the same cycle that you offer the scholarship, but it can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship. I do agree that the scholarship provides a boost though, as I’ve experienced what you have, but I think it provides boost the cycle that the scholarship is offered as any cycle AFTER that.

No I disagree with this.

If X AP for a given recruit equals Y percentage points, on the cycle that you offer the scholarship, its (X + "boost" equals 'a lot more than Y percentage points').

Then after that one cycle processes, it goes back to X AP equals Y percentage points. For the remainder of recruiting. That is why the word "bonus" is being tossed around.

You said "can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship".
That isn't correct because that would mean..... APs have two different values. They would equal X BEFORE scholarship is offered. And they would equal Z AFTER scholarship is offered, for the remainder of recruiting.

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/20/2019 9:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/20/2019 2:55:00 PM (view original):
I think the only part you’re wrong about is that it doesn’t have to be the same cycle that you offer the scholarship, but it can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship. I do agree that the scholarship provides a boost though, as I’ve experienced what you have, but I think it provides boost the cycle that the scholarship is offered as any cycle AFTER that.

No I disagree with this.

If X AP for a given recruit equals Y percentage points, on the cycle that you offer the scholarship, its (X + "boost" equals 'a lot more than Y percentage points').

Then after that one cycle processes, it goes back to X AP equals Y percentage points. For the remainder of recruiting. That is why the word "bonus" is being tossed around.

You said "can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship".
That isn't correct because that would mean..... APs have two different values. They would equal X BEFORE scholarship is offered. And they would equal Z AFTER scholarship is offered, for the remainder of recruiting.

I agree with shoe as well, but disagree with what you just said. Let me just ask this clarifying question for top specifically and others can answer too. Do you think with promises, the "boost" is only for the cycle you offer them or for all the cycles after that?

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/20/2019 9:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/20/2019 2:55:00 PM (view original):
I think the only part you’re wrong about is that it doesn’t have to be the same cycle that you offer the scholarship, but it can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship. I do agree that the scholarship provides a boost though, as I’ve experienced what you have, but I think it provides boost the cycle that the scholarship is offered as any cycle AFTER that.

No I disagree with this.

If X AP for a given recruit equals Y percentage points, on the cycle that you offer the scholarship, its (X + "boost" equals 'a lot more than Y percentage points').

Then after that one cycle processes, it goes back to X AP equals Y percentage points. For the remainder of recruiting. That is why the word "bonus" is being tossed around.

You said "can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship".
That isn't correct because that would mean..... APs have two different values. They would equal X BEFORE scholarship is offered. And they would equal Z AFTER scholarship is offered, for the remainder of recruiting.

This is very silly.

This is why I don’t like the term “boost” here. It can look like we’re talking about the scholarship increasing the value of some AP, and that just doesn’t happen. If I offer a scholarship and drop to *no* AP on that same cycle, I still get a big pile (big relative to how early in the recruiting process we are) of effort credit.

A scholarship is a big pile of stand-alone effort credit. Really doesn’t need to be any more complicated than that.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/20/2019 10:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/20/2019 9:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/20/2019 2:55:00 PM (view original):
I think the only part you’re wrong about is that it doesn’t have to be the same cycle that you offer the scholarship, but it can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship. I do agree that the scholarship provides a boost though, as I’ve experienced what you have, but I think it provides boost the cycle that the scholarship is offered as any cycle AFTER that.

No I disagree with this.

If X AP for a given recruit equals Y percentage points, on the cycle that you offer the scholarship, its (X + "boost" equals 'a lot more than Y percentage points').

Then after that one cycle processes, it goes back to X AP equals Y percentage points. For the remainder of recruiting. That is why the word "bonus" is being tossed around.

You said "can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship".
That isn't correct because that would mean..... APs have two different values. They would equal X BEFORE scholarship is offered. And they would equal Z AFTER scholarship is offered, for the remainder of recruiting.

I agree with shoe as well, but disagree with what you just said. Let me just ask this clarifying question for top specifically and others can answer too. Do you think with promises, the "boost" is only for the cycle you offer them or for all the cycles after that?

You and I both understand that if the player has the "wants to play" preference, there is a continuous effect for all cycles after that. Because it gives you an additional very good preference. If the player does not have that preference, it is just a stand alone effort offered once.

I think that part is one of the very few things in HD that is clear amongst all of us. Continue on with your point.

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/20/2019 11:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 10/20/2019 9:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 10/20/2019 2:55:00 PM (view original):
I think the only part you’re wrong about is that it doesn’t have to be the same cycle that you offer the scholarship, but it can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship. I do agree that the scholarship provides a boost though, as I’ve experienced what you have, but I think it provides boost the cycle that the scholarship is offered as any cycle AFTER that.

No I disagree with this.

If X AP for a given recruit equals Y percentage points, on the cycle that you offer the scholarship, its (X + "boost" equals 'a lot more than Y percentage points').

Then after that one cycle processes, it goes back to X AP equals Y percentage points. For the remainder of recruiting. That is why the word "bonus" is being tossed around.

You said "can be any cycle after you offer the scholarship".
That isn't correct because that would mean..... APs have two different values. They would equal X BEFORE scholarship is offered. And they would equal Z AFTER scholarship is offered, for the remainder of recruiting.

This is very silly.

It is. But I think there's confusion on what's being said here.

So, after a little more thought on this and wish I had realized what was being said much earlier - I believe that shoe is right on. As he stated, offering a scholarship gives you recruiting credit just like giving AP. For example, if placing 10 AP on the recruit results in the HV opening up by 5% then offering a scholarship may give recruiting credit to open the HV by 30% itself. So, in this example, on the cycle that you offered the scholarship the HV bar would change by 35% total giving the possible illusion that there was a bonus or boost of AP on that cycle and that is not the case. You are just seeing the combined recruiting effort on that cycle.