Is it similar to D1 football

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=472166

Using the link above, if you scroll down a bit you can see a list of baseline prestiges for D1, which is what I'm assuming you're referring to when you ay "elites."

Best locations are in this order:

Kansas>UCLA>Oklahoma>Illinois>Arizona>Colorado> Stanford>Utah>Wisconsin>Kentucky>Florida>Duke>UNC> MSU>Syracuse>Uconn>LSU

IMHO

I'm probably missing one. My bad.

Put UNLV high up there depending on the world.

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/6/2019 5:42:00 PM (view original):
Best locations are in this order:

Kansas>UCLA>Oklahoma>Illinois>Arizona>Colorado> Stanford>Utah>Wisconsin>Kentucky>Florida>Duke>UNC> MSU>Syracuse>Uconn>LSU

IMHO

I'm probably missing one. My bad.

Put UNLV high up there depending on the world.

6.4.1

Why do we prefer Kansas over UCLA?

I'm not disputing. I don't play D1. Just asking. I felt like there's no other big name A+ schools in Cali, and it's got more recruits than anywhere except NY maybe?

To be clear, cub’s list is not of A+ baseline prestige schools (a number of those schools aren’t even A baseline). Optimal locations is a different discussion than A+ baseline.

Location advantage really depends on the world, and what teams are operated by what coaches. In terms of having lots of elite recruits nearby, Kansas is generally not at the same level as teams like UCLA, Cuse, and Texas. But having high baseline prestige, coupled with being within 1500 miles of just about everyone, KU is definitely an elite job.

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/7/2019 4:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/6/2019 5:42:00 PM (view original):
Best locations are in this order:

Kansas>UCLA>Oklahoma>Illinois>Arizona>Colorado> Stanford>Utah>Wisconsin>Kentucky>Florida>Duke>UNC> MSU>Syracuse>Uconn>LSU

IMHO

I'm probably missing one. My bad.

Put UNLV high up there depending on the world.

6.4.1

Why do we prefer Kansas over UCLA?

I'm not disputing. I don't play D1. Just asking. I felt like there's no other big name A+ schools in Cali, and it's got more recruits than anywhere except NY maybe?

I'm putting UCLA at #1 for sure. But splitting hairs here..

I'd also put Colorado above Zona or even Illinois.

And biggest omission is Minnesota. That's a better spot than Wisconsin IMO. I think that's a top 10 job easy.

Syracuse/UConn are MUCH better locations than Kentucky.

Has anyone ever calculated all D1 programs all-time winning percentage across all worlds?

Posted by Benis on 12/11/2019 11:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/7/2019 4:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/6/2019 5:42:00 PM (view original):
Best locations are in this order:

Kansas>UCLA>Oklahoma>Illinois>Arizona>Colorado> Stanford>Utah>Wisconsin>Kentucky>Florida>Duke>UNC> MSU>Syracuse>Uconn>LSU

IMHO

I'm probably missing one. My bad.

Put UNLV high up there depending on the world.

6.4.1

Why do we prefer Kansas over UCLA?

I'm not disputing. I don't play D1. Just asking. I felt like there's no other big name A+ schools in Cali, and it's got more recruits than anywhere except NY maybe?

I'm putting UCLA at #1 for sure. But splitting hairs here..

I'd also put Colorado above Zona or even Illinois.

And biggest omission is Minnesota. That's a better spot than Wisconsin IMO. I think that's a top 10 job easy.

Syracuse/UConn are MUCH better locations than Kentucky.

Kentucky's really hard -- I think Cuse and Uconn are tough too, with so many teams packed into the northeast. I think LSU should be MUCH higher on that list, and Florida should as well (as long as you can keep FSU/Miami down). Texas should probably be on the list somewhere too -- there are enough players in TX for 2 teams to be elite.

Minnesota was a bad omission.

I'm a big Illinois/Arizona fan. Total control of a state that generates 1/2 5-stars per year is huge. You don't get that at Colorado or Utah.

Stanford, USC, Cal are all taken like 70% of a time which slightly sours UCLA IMHO. Kansas you totally control your whole state, and usually you can also totally control Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Iowa. But yeah, in hindsight UCLA is probably better.

A+ baseline is A+ baseline. You can win titles with 8/9 guys (I have 4 titles--1 was with 8 guys and 1 was with 9 so I would know) so you will still get star talent, even if you have to battle and win roles.

Is Kentucky that bad? Can't you like reach into TN, LA, MS, AL, GA consistently? I feel its so weird that Illinois is a consensus Top 5-7 location but Kentucky doesn't crack Top 10 when they're 200 miles apart and the south is so fertile.

What does baseline prestige do if it is higher than the actual prestige listed for a program?

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/12/2019 11:44:00 PM (view original):
Minnesota was a bad omission.

I'm a big Illinois/Arizona fan. Total control of a state that generates 1/2 5-stars per year is huge. You don't get that at Colorado or Utah.

Stanford, USC, Cal are all taken like 70% of a time which slightly sours UCLA IMHO. Kansas you totally control your whole state, and usually you can also totally control Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Iowa. But yeah, in hindsight UCLA is probably better.

A+ baseline is A+ baseline. You can win titles with 8/9 guys (I have 4 titles--1 was with 8 guys and 1 was with 9 so I would know) so you will still get star talent, even if you have to battle and win roles.

Is Kentucky that bad? Can't you like reach into TN, LA, MS, AL, GA consistently? I feel its so weird that Illinois is a consensus Top 5-7 location but Kentucky doesn't crack Top 10 when they're 200 miles apart and the south is so fertile.

6.5.0

Kentucky has to be one of the worst A+ jobs out there. You’re surrounded on all sides and batting with not only your own conference but the Big East, Big 10, and the ACC. You’re only 100-400 hundred miles from Indiana, Ohio St, Tennessee, UNC, Duke, Penn St, Cincy, Louisville, West Virginia, etc. There just isn’t a little niche region you can claim your own that where other schools won’t fight you for recruits.

Posted by Basketts on 12/13/2019 12:05:00 PM (view original):
What does baseline prestige do if it is higher than the actual prestige listed for a program?

It makes it easier to attain that baseline prestige after a good season. Here’s a better way to explain this-in this example both schools are currently a B- prestige and coming off an elite 8 season.

School A is a B+ baseline and will be around B prestige after the season

School B is an A+ baseline and will become A- prestige after the season.

Baseline prestige is the prestige your program will naturally gravitate closer to. It takes more effort to get more than, say, 2 full letter grades above or below your baseline.

I feel like I’m not explaining this as well as I could. One final example is I had a D+ baseline school and after back to back FF/Championship game appearances (while we were at a B + prestige) we were still only at an A-.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 12/13/2019 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/12/2019 11:44:00 PM (view original):
Minnesota was a bad omission.

I'm a big Illinois/Arizona fan. Total control of a state that generates 1/2 5-stars per year is huge. You don't get that at Colorado or Utah.

Stanford, USC, Cal are all taken like 70% of a time which slightly sours UCLA IMHO. Kansas you totally control your whole state, and usually you can also totally control Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Iowa. But yeah, in hindsight UCLA is probably better.

A+ baseline is A+ baseline. You can win titles with 8/9 guys (I have 4 titles--1 was with 8 guys and 1 was with 9 so I would know) so you will still get star talent, even if you have to battle and win roles.

Is Kentucky that bad? Can't you like reach into TN, LA, MS, AL, GA consistently? I feel its so weird that Illinois is a consensus Top 5-7 location but Kentucky doesn't crack Top 10 when they're 200 miles apart and the south is so fertile.

6.5.0

Kentucky has to be one of the worst A+ jobs out there. You’re surrounded on all sides and batting with not only your own conference but the Big East, Big 10, and the ACC. You’re only 100-400 hundred miles from Indiana, Ohio St, Tennessee, UNC, Duke, Penn St, Cincy, Louisville, West Virginia, etc. There just isn’t a little niche region you can claim your own that where other schools won’t fight you for recruits.

I would assume Duke and UNC are worse. Isn’t the northeast totally terrible? I’ve actually never had a team there.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 12/13/2019 1:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Basketts on 12/13/2019 12:05:00 PM (view original):
What does baseline prestige do if it is higher than the actual prestige listed for a program?

It makes it easier to attain that baseline prestige after a good season. Here’s a better way to explain this-in this example both schools are currently a B- prestige and coming off an elite 8 season.

School A is a B+ baseline and will be around B prestige after the season

School B is an A+ baseline and will become A- prestige after the season.

Baseline prestige is the prestige your program will naturally gravitate closer to. It takes more effort to get more than, say, 2 full letter grades above or below your baseline.

I feel like I’m not explaining this as well as I could. One final example is I had a D+ baseline school and after back to back FF/Championship game appearances (while we were at a B + prestige) we were still only at an A-.

That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation!

do the higher baseline schools have the edge in recruiting over lower baseline schools. Example if I had Duke and was on a 5 star my chances would be higher than if I coached at Boston College regardless of prestige ?