Rule V Leg #66 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the White Sox recently got to game seven of the world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1970-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1970-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1970 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
1/16/2020 8:23 AM
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Franchise Draft
  1. spoonfed - 54-108 .333 Houston Astros*
  2. mussopini23 68-94 .420 Seattle Mariners*
  3. sakensei 68-94 .420 New York Yankees*
  4. newarkwilder 70-92 .432 Los Angeles Dodgers*
  5. alice (Lincoln15) 70-92 .432 San Diego Padres*
  6. deathdealer 73-89 .451 Toronto Blue Jays*
  7. specsman 73-89 .451 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals*
  8. dilligafdbp 74-88 .468 Arizona Diamondbacks*
  9. trenchfoot 77-85 .475 Cleveland Indians
  10. spikeboots 80-82 .494 Chicago Cubs*
  11. alleyviper 80-82 .494 Oakland Athletics*
  12. nordawg 83-79 Detroit Tigers*
  13. ff09 83-79 .512 Minnesota Twins*
  14. justinlee_24 85-77 .525 Milwaukee Brewers*
  15. Chisock 87-75 .537 St. Louis Cardinals*
  16. bob_shabazz 87-75 .537 San Francisco Giants*
  17. tridentric 78-84 .481* New York Mets*
  18. sinfonian11 82-80 .506* Atlanta Braves*
  19. rbow923 84-78 .519*% Boston Red Sox*
  20. pumpkinmcp 96-66 .593* Pittsburgh Pirates*
  21. captmurphy 100-62 .617* Miami Marlins*
  22. buddhagamer 102-60 .630* Kansas City Royals*
  23. schwarze 92-70 .568& Cincinnati Reds*
  24. atheistdeals 98-64 .605$ Colorado Rockies*
* Playoff team
^ new owner
& WS runner-up
$ WS Champion

* Third round keeper sent

Owner list for easy sitemailing: spoonfed; mussopini23; sakensei; newarkwilder; alice; deathdealer; specsman; dilligafdbp; trenchfoot; spikeboots; alleyviper; nordawg; ff09; justinlee_24; Chisock; bob_shabazz; tridentric; sinfonian11; rbow923; pumpkinmcp; captmurphy; buddhagamer; schwarze; atheistdeals

Division Alignment:

NL East: Braves, Mets, Expos/Nationals, Marlins
NL Central: Cubs, Cardinals, Reds, Pirates
NL West: Dodgers, Giants, Padres, Rockies
AL East: Red Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays, Brewers
AL Central: Twins, Tigers, Royals, Indians
AL West: Astros, Mariners, Athletics, Diamondbacks
1/24/2020 5:09 PM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (drafted teams listed in RED)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 13 847 1259 0.4022
2 D'backs 25 1840 2210 0.4543
3 Tigers 37 2840 3156 0.4736
4 Pirates 33 2534 2812 0.4740
5 White Sox 19 1466 1612 0.4763
6 Twins 37 2892 3104 0.4823
7 Rockies 19 1497 1582 0.4862
8 Rangers 27 2130 2245 0.4869
9 Angels 28 2217 2320 0.4886
10 Brewers 33 2631 2719 0.4918
11 Marlins 27 2162 2214 0.4941
12 Orioles 38 3063 3094 0.4975
13 Blue Jays 43 3468 3500 0.4977
14 Padres 33 2669 2678 0.4992
15 Expos 47 3806 3811 0.4997
16 Indians 45 3645 3646 0.4999
17 Red Sox 47 3808 3807 0.5001
18 Mariners 43 3504 3465 0.5028
19 Phillies 43 3526 3443 0.5060
20 Reds 39 3206 3113 0.5074
21 Cubs 37 3044 2950 0.5078
22 Mets 42 3462 3343 0.5087
23 Royals 42 3471 3336 0.5099
24 Giants 43 3562 3407 0.5111
25 Braves 46 3820 3632 0.5126
26 Cardinals 47 3953 3662 0.5191
27 Yankees 43 3624 3342 0.5202
28 Dodgers 46 3921 3533 0.5260
29 A's 47 4030 3586 0.5291
30 Astros 47 4084 3531 0.5363
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1/19/2020 5:25 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Tuesday 1/21)
  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks: Orel Hershiser - LAD
  2. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Dwight Gooden - NYM
  3. pumpkinmcp - Pittsburgh Pirates: TSMOPOAT - HOU
  4. ff09 - Minnesota Twins: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  5. atheistdeals - Colorado Rockies: Mark McGwire - STL
  6. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers: Ken Caminiti - SDP
  7. captmurphy - Miami Marlins: Tim Raines - MON/WSH
  8. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Tom Seaver - CIN
  9. alice - San Diego Padres: Ozzie Smith - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  10. specsman - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Kevin Millwood - ATL
  11. trenchfoot - Cleveland Indians: Matt Harvey - NYM (Mets off the board)
  12. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Mike Norris - OAK
  13. mussopini23 - Seattle Mariners: Gerrit Cole - HOU (Astros off the board)
  14. schwarze - Cincinnati Reds: Goose Gossage - NYY
  15. spikeboots - Chicago Cubs: Carlton Fisk - BOS
  16. tridentric - New York Mets: Fred Lynn - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  17. buddhagamer - Kansas City Royals: Marcus Semien - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  18. bob_shabazz - San Francisco Giants: Dave Righetti - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  19. sinfonian11 - Atlanta Braves: Derrek Lee - CHC
  20. Chisock - St. Louis Cardinals: Troy Tulowitski - COL
  21. sakensei - New York Yankees: Rick Wilkins - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  22. newarkwilder - Los Angeles Dodgers: Roberto Alomar - CLE
  23. alleyviper - Oakland Athletics: Anthony Rendon - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros: Buster Posey - SFG
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts THURSDAY 1/23)
  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks: John Valentin - BOS
  2. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Bernie Williams - NYY
  3. pumpkinmcp - Pittsburgh Pirates: Edgar Martinez - SEA
  4. ff09 - Minnesota Twins: Xander Bogaerts - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  5. atheistdeals - Colorado Rockies: JR Richard - HOU
  6. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers: Kevin Brown - LAD
  7. captmurphy - Miami Marlins: Stephen Strasburg - MON/WSH
  8. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Johnny Cueto - CIN
  9. alice - San Diego Padres: Tim Hudson - OAK
  10. specsman - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Hideo Nomo - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  11. trenchfoot - Cleveland Indians: Ben Sheets - MIL
  12. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Javy Lopez - ATL
  13. mussopini23 - Seattle Mariners: Alex Bregman - HOU (Astros off the board)
  14. schwarze - Cincinnati Reds: Adam Wainwright - STL
  15. spikeboots - Chicago Cubs: AFTBOAT - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  16. tridentric - New York Mets: Tim Burke - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  17. buddhagamer - Kansas City Royals: Charlie Blackmon - COL
  18. bob_shabazz - San Francisco Giants: Chris Young - SDP
  19. sinfonian11 - Atlanta Braves: Jose Reyes - NYM
  20. Chisock - St. Louis Cardinals: Rollie Fingers - MIL (Brewers off the board)
  21. sakensei - New York Yankees: Roy Halladay - TOR
  22. newarkwilder - Los Angeles Dodgers: Jason Giambi - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  23. alleyviper - Oakland Athletics: Brian Giles - PIT
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros: Rich Aurillia - SFG
Player Draft Third Round (Timed schedule starts MONDAY 1/27)
  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks: JD Martinez - BOS
  2. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Mariano Rivera - NYY
  3. pumpkinmcp - Pittsburgh Pirates: Don Wilson - HOU
  4. ff09 - Minnesota Twins: Rickey Henderson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  5. atheistdeals - Colorado Rockies: Derek Lowe - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  6. justinlee_24 - Milwaukee Brewers: Ellis Burks - COL
  7. captmurphy - Miami Marlins: Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  8. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Tom Niedenfuer - LAD
  9. alice - San Diego Padres: Sean Casey - CIN
  10. specsman - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Fred McGriff - ATL
  11. trenchfoot - Cleveland Indians: Francisco Liriano - MIN
  12. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Don Sutton - HOU (Astros off the board)
  13. mussopini23 - Seattle Mariners: HWMNBN - CIN (Reds off the board)
  14. schwarze - Cincinnati Reds: Trevor Hoffman - SDP
  15. spikeboots - Chicago Cubs: Andrew Miller - CLE
  16. tridentric - New York Mets: Omar Vizquel - CLE (Indians off the board)
  17. buddhagamer - Kansas City Royals: Mark Texeira - ATL (Braves off the board)
  18. bob_shabazz - San Francisco Giants: Kenley Jansen - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  19. sinfonian11 - Atlanta Braves: Justin Duchscherer - OAK
  20. Chisock - St. Louis Cardinals: Tony Watson - PIT
  21. sakensei - New York Yankees: Rich Harden - CHC
  22. newarkwilder - Los Angeles Dodgers: Carlos Beltran - NYM
  23. alleyviper - Oakland Athletics: Howard Johnson - NYM (Mets off the board)
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros: Dennis Eckersley - OAK (Athletics off the board)
1/28/2020 11:30 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

dilligafdbp – Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Zack Greinke, Paul Goldschmidt, Luis Gonzalez, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Daniel Hudson, John Valentin - BOS, Aaron Hill, JD Martinez - BOS

nordawg – Detroit Tigers: Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Dwight Gooden - NYM, Willie Hernandez, Bernie Williams - NYY, Tony Phillips, Mariano Rivera - NYY

pumpkinmcp – Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Willie Stargell, Jay Bell, Rick Reuschel, Goose Gossage, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Jason Kendall, Edgar Martinez - SEA, Zane Smith, Don Wilson - HOU

ff09 – Minnesota Twins: Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Chuck Knoblauch, Joe Mauer, Johan Santana, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Lyman Bostock, Xander Bogaerts - BOS, Joe Nathan, Rickey Henderson - NYY

atheistdeals – Colorado Rockies: Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Nolan Arrenado, DJ LeMahieu, Trevor Story, Mark McGwire - STL, Gabe White, JR Richard - HOU, Ubaldo Jimenez, Derek Lowe - BOS

justinlee_24 – Milwaukee Brewers: Teddy Higuera, Mike Caldwell, Prince Fielder, Christian Yelich, Robin Yount, Ken Caminiti - SDP, CC Sabathia, Kevin Brown - LAD, Ryan Braun, Ellis Burks - COL

captmurphy – Miami Marlins: Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Mike Piazza, Gary Sheffield, Hanley Ramirez, Tim Raines - MON/WSH, Miguel Cabrera, Stephen Strasburg - MON/WSH, Giancarlo Stanton, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH

deathdealer – Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Jose Bautista, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado, Tony Fernandez, Tom Seaver - CIN, Jimmy Key, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Roberto Alomar, Tom Niedenfuer - LAD

alice – San Diego Padres: Jake Peavy, Randy Jones, Kevin Brown, Tony Gwynn, Gary Sheffield, Ozzie Smith - STL, Dave Winfield, Tim Hudson - OAK, Heath Bell, Sean Casey - CIN

specsman – Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Gary Carter, Bryce Harper, Vladimir Guerrero, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Andre Dawson, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Jeff Reardon, Fred McGriff - ATL

trenchfoot – Cleveland Indians: Gaylord Perry, Corey Kluber, Albert Belle, Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez, Matt Harvey - NYM, Kenny Lofton, Ben Sheets - MIL, Jose Ramirez, Francisco Liriano - MIN

rbow923 – Boston Red Sox: Mookie Betts, Wade Boggs, Nomar Garciaparra, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Mike Norris - OAK, Chris Sale, Javy Lopez - ATL, Carl Yastrzemski, Don Sutton - HOU

mussopini23 – Seattle Mariners: Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Ichiro Suzuki, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Gerrit Cole - HOU, Bret Boone, Alex Bregman - HOU, JJ Putz, HMNBN - CIN

schwarze – Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Joey Votto, Barry Larkin, George Foster, Goose Gossage - NYY, Jose Rijo, Adam Wainwright - STL, Aroldis Chapman, Trevor Hoffman - SDP

spikeboots – Chicago Cubs: Jake Arrieta, Fergie Jenkins, Greg Maddux, Ryne Sandberg, Sammy Sosa, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Billy Williams, AFTBOAT - STL, Bruce Sutter, Andrew Miller - CLE

tridentric – New York Mets: Tom Seaver, Jacob DeGrom, Pedro Martinez, John Olerud, David Wright, Fred Lynn - BOS, Mike Piazza, Tim Burke - MON/WSH, Edgardo Alfonso, Omar Vizquel - CLE

buddhagamer – Kansas City Royals: Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Zack Greinke, George Brett, Darrell Porter, Marcus Semien - OAK, David Cone, Charlie Blackmon - COL, Willie Wilson, Mark Texeira - ATL

bob_shabazz – San Francisco Giants: Jason Schmidt, Tim Lincecum, Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Jeff Kent, Dave Righetti - NYY, Kevin Mitchell, Chris Young - SDP, Dick Dietz, Kenley Jansen - LAD

sinfonian11 – Atlanta Braves: Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Craig Kimbrel, Derrek Lee - CHC, Ronald Acuna, Jr., Jose Reyes - NYM, Kris Medlen, Justin Duchscherer - OAK

Chisock – St. Louis Cardinals: Ted Simmons, Albert Pujols, Joe Torre, Willie McGee, John Tudor, Troy Tulowitski - COL, Chris Carpenter, Rollie Fingers - MIL, Jose DeLeon, Tony Watson - PIT

sakensei – New York Yankees: Robinson Cano, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Catfish Hunter, Ron Guidry, Rick Wilkins - CHC, Paul O’Neill, Roy Halladay - TOR, Bobby Murcer, Rich Harden - CHC

newarkwilder – Los Angeles Dodgers: Zack Greinke, Clayton Kershaw, Don Sutton, Cody Bellinger, Mike Piazza, Roberto Alomar - CLE, Pedro Guerrero, Jason Giambi - NYY, Reggie Smith, Carlos Beltran - NYM

alleyviper – Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Mark McGwire, Anthony Rendon - MON/WSH, Rich Hill, Brian Giles - PIT, Rich Harden, Howard Johnson - NYM

spoonfed – Houston Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Justin Verlander, Buster Posey – SFG, Craig Biggio, Rich Aurillia - SFG, Zack Greinke, Dennis Eckersley - OAK
1/28/2020 11:30 AM (edited)
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Just about ready to draft. Just need an updated franchise draft order, taking into account last season's results. Should get that later today. Thanks.
1/16/2020 9:10 AM
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Sounds great!!
1/16/2020 11:42 AM
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I'm calling dibs on AJ Hinch and Alex Cora
1/16/2020 12:35 PM
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Posted by alleyviper on 1/16/2020 12:35:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling dibs on AJ Hinch and Alex Cora
1/16/2020 4:07 PM
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FYI - I am leaving for Cancun tomorrow morning (be back Tuesday night). I will try and keep up with things, but please forgive me for any delays.
1/16/2020 8:35 PM
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Enjoy your trip!
1/16/2020 8:41 PM
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Ready to start drafting. spoonfed is up and can pick whenever he's ready.
1/16/2020 8:47 PM
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I will take the Astros
1/17/2020 9:37 AM
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I'm here, will pick shortly
1/17/2020 12:38 PM
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I will take the Seattle Mariners
1/17/2020 12:58 PM
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