I recruited this ineligible player listed as a SF, but I'm considering red shirting him and making him a PF. My reasoning for this is his low speed and he would be difficult to guard on the perimeter for most bigs most likely resulting in a high 3pt% once he reaches his potential. I also think he can handle this given his green pot for Reb but there is no way to know how high it will get being that it's starting out at such a small rating....what would you guys recommend? We run a motion offense and M2M/HCP defense.

ATH: 91 (red)
SPD: 34 (red)
REB: 28 (green)
DEF: 64 (green)
BLK: 30 (yellow)
LP: 16 (green)
PER: 53 (green)
BH: 30 (blue)
PASS: 50 (black)
WE: 51
ST: 68 (blue)
FT: C- (blue)

If he were on my team he would be a SF until the rebounding improves to at least 50. If he gets good rebounding growth he could potentially play both positions.

A redshirt year would help a bunch and you really don't have to make any decisions until you actually decide where to play him. I don't think what he is listed as affects his growth at all.

Posted by marl_karx on 1/22/2020 11:30:00 AM (view original):
A redshirt year would help a bunch and you really don't have to make any decisions until you actually decide where to play him. I don't think what he is listed as affects his growth at all.

He'll still need to meet the minimum GPA requirements even if he's redshirted, right?

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 1/22/2020 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by marl_karx on 1/22/2020 11:30:00 AM (view original):
A redshirt year would help a bunch and you really don't have to make any decisions until you actually decide where to play him. I don't think what he is listed as affects his growth at all.

He'll still need to meet the minimum GPA requirements even if he's redshirted, right?

only if you want him to improve :) kind of a ****** answer, tongue in cheek really. you don't need to meet them, but if hes flunks out in the 2nd semester, his off season improvement takes a substantial hit. i would generally try to keep him passing myself - but if he fails out, especially in the 1st semester, not a big deal. he will still improve.

the reason i'd meet the GPA is redshirt guys don't improve that fast and the handful of minutes probably doesn't buy you much - but next year hes a FR again, with the same SH requirements, except now he has college GPA instead of just HS GPA, and if that college GPA sucks, you'll be spending minutes on SH when hes improving faster, as a non-redshirt. so its like, do you have to - no, you sure don't - but i probably would myself. i could easily be convinced that its technically better to 0 his GPA for semester 1 of freshman year - but then again, i probably would do that anyway? (my SH approach is, 0 everyone, deal with it at midterms)

You can’t redshirt him, he’s ineligible, and you’re playing D2.

He’ll be fine as an upperclassman in the front court. I think your instincts are correct, he’s probably too slow to play press/man SF at high level D2 (if you played 2-3 zone, I’d be less worried, though it’s still less than ideal). He will be able to rebound enough to handle the PF, given his high athleticism, which is very important in rebounding.

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/22/2020 11:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 1/22/2020 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by marl_karx on 1/22/2020 11:30:00 AM (view original):
A redshirt year would help a bunch and you really don't have to make any decisions until you actually decide where to play him. I don't think what he is listed as affects his growth at all.

He'll still need to meet the minimum GPA requirements even if he's redshirted, right?

only if you want him to improve :) kind of a ****** answer, tongue in cheek really. you don't need to meet them, but if hes flunks out in the 2nd semester, his off season improvement takes a substantial hit. i would generally try to keep him passing myself - but if he fails out, especially in the 1st semester, not a big deal. he will still improve.

the reason i'd meet the GPA is redshirt guys don't improve that fast and the handful of minutes probably doesn't buy you much - but next year hes a FR again, with the same SH requirements, except now he has college GPA instead of just HS GPA, and if that college GPA sucks, you'll be spending minutes on SH when hes improving faster, as a non-redshirt. so its like, do you have to - no, you sure don't - but i probably would myself. i could easily be convinced that its technically better to 0 his GPA for semester 1 of freshman year - but then again, i probably would do that anyway? (my SH approach is, 0 everyone, deal with it at midterms)

but then again, i probably would do that anyway? (my SH approach is, 0 everyone, deal with it at midterms)

mind blown at how inefficiently I was applying SH minutes ...

FWIW, I played a similar type of guy (defensively) at PF in D2. By the time he was starting as an upperclassman, he was pulling down ~6 rebounds per game, which isn’t dynamite, but you recruit this guy for his athletic defense, and get your rebounds in other places. Your guy could be a little better.

Posted by shoe3 on 1/22/2020 5:49:00 PM (view original):
FWIW, I played a similar type of guy (defensively) at PF in D2. By the time he was starting as an upperclassman, he was pulling down ~6 rebounds per game, which isn’t dynamite, but you recruit this guy for his athletic defense, and get your rebounds in other places. Your guy could be a little better.

Interesting comparison. My guy will probably end up with similar Ath/Spd/Reb/Def but I think he'll end up being much superior offensive player.

I'm curious how you'd approach growing my player. Would you do a balanced growth of his high potential categories throughout his 4 years, or would you try to push Def and Reb for the 1st two seasons to get him playable at PF as quickly as possible, and then grow him into an offensive option in his last 2 seasons?

I at least know from coaching to never recruit a balanced team. Have you done color coding yet?

Posted by shoe3 on 1/22/2020 5:30:00 PM (view original):
You can’t redshirt him, he’s ineligible, and you’re playing D2.

He’ll be fine as an upperclassman in the front court. I think your instincts are correct, he’s probably too slow to play press/man SF at high level D2 (if you played 2-3 zone, I’d be less worried, though it’s still less than ideal). He will be able to rebound enough to handle the PF, given his high athleticism, which is very important in rebounding.

this leads me to ask, it's been so long since I've played D3, Ineligibles still can play in D3 correct?

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 1/22/2020 9:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 1/22/2020 5:49:00 PM (view original):
FWIW, I played a similar type of guy (defensively) at PF in D2. By the time he was starting as an upperclassman, he was pulling down ~6 rebounds per game, which isn’t dynamite, but you recruit this guy for his athletic defense, and get your rebounds in other places. Your guy could be a little better.

Interesting comparison. My guy will probably end up with similar Ath/Spd/Reb/Def but I think he'll end up being much superior offensive player.

I'm curious how you'd approach growing my player. Would you do a balanced growth of his high potential categories throughout his 4 years, or would you try to push Def and Reb for the 1st two seasons to get him playable at PF as quickly as possible, and then grow him into an offensive option in his last 2 seasons?

Definitely, I am only speaking about defensive ability and positioning. Your guy will be a weapon offensively, maybe not carrying an offense, but especially if his perimeter is very high, could be a very dangerous 2nd or 3rd option.

I would opt for prioritizing def/Reb first, as you say. His value is first and foremost as a front court defender, that’s whats going to make him valuable. If his offense fully develops by his 3rd on court season, bonus.

Posted by tdiddy3 on 1/23/2020 12:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 1/22/2020 5:30:00 PM (view original):
You can’t redshirt him, he’s ineligible, and you’re playing D2.

He’ll be fine as an upperclassman in the front court. I think your instincts are correct, he’s probably too slow to play press/man SF at high level D2 (if you played 2-3 zone, I’d be less worried, though it’s still less than ideal). He will be able to rebound enough to handle the PF, given his high athleticism, which is very important in rebounding.

this leads me to ask, it's been so long since I've played D3, Ineligibles still can play in D3 correct?

Correct.

Posted by 2xRedRaider on 1/22/2020 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/22/2020 11:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 1/22/2020 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by marl_karx on 1/22/2020 11:30:00 AM (view original):
A redshirt year would help a bunch and you really don't have to make any decisions until you actually decide where to play him. I don't think what he is listed as affects his growth at all.

He'll still need to meet the minimum GPA requirements even if he's redshirted, right?

only if you want him to improve :) kind of a ****** answer, tongue in cheek really. you don't need to meet them, but if hes flunks out in the 2nd semester, his off season improvement takes a substantial hit. i would generally try to keep him passing myself - but if he fails out, especially in the 1st semester, not a big deal. he will still improve.

the reason i'd meet the GPA is redshirt guys don't improve that fast and the handful of minutes probably doesn't buy you much - but next year hes a FR again, with the same SH requirements, except now he has college GPA instead of just HS GPA, and if that college GPA sucks, you'll be spending minutes on SH when hes improving faster, as a non-redshirt. so its like, do you have to - no, you sure don't - but i probably would myself. i could easily be convinced that its technically better to 0 his GPA for semester 1 of freshman year - but then again, i probably would do that anyway? (my SH approach is, 0 everyone, deal with it at midterms)

but then again, i probably would do that anyway? (my SH approach is, 0 everyone, deal with it at midterms)

mind blown at how inefficiently I was applying SH minutes ...

This depends.

Everyone gets on me because I play the safe route with SH minutes. If there's anything in HD that I want to be 100% at, it's keeping players on my roster. I run a lot of press, so losing 1 player in 1 season is not worth it to me, by ANY means. Some people like to play with fire. And losing 1 player to grades every 30 seasons isn't a bad thing. I'm just not in that camp.

I've never lost a player to grades, but I never will. People say i "waste" practice minutes. And that's fine. I just don't think that 4-8 minutes out of a pool of 130 is going to make a player develop so slowly that it even matters. If you have 15 minutes or 12 minutes in PER, it's gonna grow! It's not that drastically different! (Unless we're discussing a low WE player. Then it gets a lil hairy).

If you put 15 min in a green core and the player rides pine, he's not gonna develop as much anyways. If you put 12 min in a green core and play him a ton, he'll grow a lot. So there's more factors than just throwing minutes and expecting growth. I'd rather lock up the fact that my players will be there! SH minutes given!

(Now watch the as attackers arrive! "That's wasting minutes!!!!")

0 minutes is the best! Why waste minutes when you don’t have to? The key is just to always be super cautious once you have guys in yellow during the mid-term email. I generally put guys with 2.1 and lower GPA to 16 SH minutes and other yellows to 12 just to be safe.