Posted by DoctorKz on 2/16/2020 11:35:00 PM (view original):
Working class people can't afford the Green New Deal. Many can't scrape up $400 for a budget emergency like tires or a washing machine. Occasional Cortex expects them to retrofit their homes to conform to her green standards? How?

Many are still struggling to afford Healthcare. They pay their premiums. That doesn't mean they can afford the out of pocket costs, the deductibles, the copays, the minimum requirements before their coverage kicks in. Instead they go to an urgent care or ER, pay the copays. If they can afford it. What I am implying is that health insurance does not automatically get you health care.

The UK and Canada have rationalized Healthcare. A lack of participating doctors and facilities cause long waiting times for surgeries and appointments. Appointed boards make determinations as to who is a good candidate and who is not. I personally do not want these people to declare me ineligible then two wheel me out to a field so they can compost my ***.

Please consider what you are asking for. You may not like what you get. Imagine your healthcare facility resembling the DMV.

Mawnin' Doc!!

So........ I have a cousin who now lives in Ireland (That's part of the U.K.) He's a permanent resident, been there over 20 years.
His children have dual citizenship but he does not. However, as a resident He does get the U.K healthcare system. He's 68, a former athlete.
He's had to have numerous procedures and operations, primarily on legs and knee joints.
PART of what you say is true. You DO (usually) have to wait in a cue for your surgeries (at least non life threatening surgery), however He'll scream very loudly IF you try and take that healthcare system away from him and MAKE him use ours!!

He'll also tell you honestly where it is superior. For the citizen/individual the UK system is "1000%" superior than is ours (from what I can tell) UNLESS you have beaucoup bucks!! For wealthy folks maybe, our is as good. With enough money anyone can obtain a decent doctor and proper medical care.
Here or everywhere I suspect.

What I want is the same access to care and the same "program" my Congressional Representatives receive.
Why should we not have that??

Posted by dino27 on 2/17/2020 1:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dannyjoe on 2/17/2020 12:19:00 AM (view original):
I'm glad I checked back into this thread, the last few pages have been so much more entertaining. I had thought laramiebob's posts were hopeless, just variations of the-pot-calling-the-kettle-black, but he came through with this gem a few pages ago:
"While there ARE (seemingly) networks that lean left (MSNBC?) MOST news networks at least TRY to maintain the journalistic canons they learned at their Journalism schools----like the Walter Cronkite school at ASU! THOSE institutions STRESS the importance of unbiased reporting. "

Wow. I bet even the rank-and-file at MSNBC, CNN, CBS, PBS, ABC, NBC would roll on the floor laughing at that one. I'll have to check back tomorrow to see if someone tops that one.

you left out fox.

dont underestimate yourself....you have some good material too.

LOL. HE did yup! But I didn't, HE just chose a line out of context. Common trick of the biased and unthinking!

ah.........yes. FOX! The ONLY network completely dedicated to the philosophy of ONE Party!
In effect as long as Trump's in office, it's a State News agency.
TASS for the U.S. Not a whit better!

Bob I know we can do better on health care. It doesn't have to be government run. My 2 cents

You either believe in free markets or you don't. I don't want government dolling out any more than necessary. Their reach is too great already.

I agree with that.
However, we need to get PROFIT out of medical care.
Eliminate ALL the middle men.
I don't know of ANY way to do that without Government involvement.
Do you have an idea of a way to do that?

Posted by laramiebob on 2/17/2020 8:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 2/17/2020 1:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dannyjoe on 2/17/2020 12:19:00 AM (view original):
I'm glad I checked back into this thread, the last few pages have been so much more entertaining. I had thought laramiebob's posts were hopeless, just variations of the-pot-calling-the-kettle-black, but he came through with this gem a few pages ago:
"While there ARE (seemingly) networks that lean left (MSNBC?) MOST news networks at least TRY to maintain the journalistic canons they learned at their Journalism schools----like the Walter Cronkite school at ASU! THOSE institutions STRESS the importance of unbiased reporting. "

Wow. I bet even the rank-and-file at MSNBC, CNN, CBS, PBS, ABC, NBC would roll on the floor laughing at that one. I'll have to check back tomorrow to see if someone tops that one.

you left out fox.

dont underestimate yourself....you have some good material too.

LOL. HE did yup! But I didn't, HE just chose a line out of context. Common trick of the biased and unthinking!

ah.........yes. FOX! The ONLY network completely dedicated to the philosophy of ONE Party!
In effect as long as Trump's in office, it's a State News agency.
TASS for the U.S. Not a whit better!

Man this is moronic. I didn’t mention Fox because it was already obvious from your post that you at least see bias there yourself. I only included your part about the Cronkite school because I didn’t want to cut off your quote mid-sentence. I can believe your statement that it stretches professionalism and unbiased reporting. Given the state of journalism, it probably stretches those things past the breaking point.

But you think Fox is the only network dedicated to the philosophy of one party? That’s what is so funny. I guess maybe you could make the case for that, by arguing that CNN, MSNBC, etc., etc. are dedicated to the philosophies of fringe communist and socialist parties in addition to the democrat party.

Auto and homeowners insurance works ok in general. If we both sustain damage, you aren't paying $7 for a 2x4 while I pick them up for $1.50...I said in general. They too could do better...we can revisit this.

In regards to pre existing conditions I favor everyone being able to get coverage. I don't want babies thrown into the snow... I do see those with pre existing conditions as a parallel to a high risk driver. Higher rates, but can be subsidized. Doable.

Free markets are not perfect but competition should produce better deals for consumers. Arizona having 1 underwriter won't get that done. Being able to shop across state lines is a no brainier.

Doctors have overhead. They don't get into the business to do pro bono work. Asking them to do a $400 procedure for $75 will cause many to opt out.

Bernie is unrealistic in his approach. The doctors aren't gonna want to work at Peace Corps salaries. Common sense needs to intervene here.

I am not against a leave no one behind approach, but we ARE a for profit society. I think this is doable without much government interference and/or price controls. Some regulation is necessary. Fine. We have good people that can accomplish this..behind the scenes there is progress being made on ACA/Obamacare/Trumpcare. Look it up.

Simpson-Bowles generated many good ideas. Obama largely scrubbed what they spent a great amount of time on. We would do well to take another look at those proposals.

Back to you, Bob...

TrumpCare? "I will cover everybody, cheaper, and it will be wonderful"

Repugs have nothing on health care since 2010, unless you consider a continuation of Emergency-Room Care, something.

It isn't going to go away. That would be political suicide for either party...unless they had a comprehensive, affordable replacement. That isn't likely.

It can be fixed. I think it will. No excuses, just fix it. Over time it can be massaged, improved. We are certainly capable of improvements.

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said in press conference Jan. 11. “We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.”

Or, as he said in a September 2015 “60 Minutes” interview, “I am going to take care of everybody. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

Yes another political blowhard. I don't like it either.

Here is a fairly straightforward synopsis of Simpson Bowels. Some good food for thought...keep in mind this was from 2010.

https://www.thebalance.com/simpson-bowles-plan-summary-history-would-it-work-3306323

obamacare is so affordable and it provides amazing coverages for those eligible - in the marketplace.
the insurance companies have adjusted and they are happy.
they are not complaining.
car insurance high limits are a privilege for those who have a privilege to have a driver license.
low limits are a mandatory right for those having the privilege to drive.

in an enlightened and advanced and civilized society access to medical care is a human right.
not in favor now for medicare for all.
after the giant trumpcut it is probably not possible.

obamacare is great and needs to be protected...not threatened and improved.

the admin is in federal court now asking for obamacare to be abolished.
probably wont happen but could.
no words for what they are doing.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans continue to give the Affordable Care Act a split decision, with 50% telling Gallup they approve of the healthcare law brought about by President Barack Obama, and 48% saying they disapprove. As of Dec 2019

I am merely saying improvements can be made. Many aren't happy with some elements of their coverage. We can and should do better, despite how amazing you may believe it to be...

In parts of the country there are only 1 or 2 companies approved/allowed to provide coverage. That does not allow for competition. It makes no sense. I can shop dozens of companies in multiple states for auto or homeowner coverage. Why not medical? Unacceptable.

I too wish to see coverage for all. That it is a right is an opinion. I see why you wish it to be, but it is not written into our Constitution.

That could change at some point. It would make for great theater in Congress...

a lot of things are not written into the constitution
and there should be more then 10 commandments.

most of the people not favoring obamacare are trump supporters....
and most are not using it and dont care about the people that use it and thrive because of it.

Perhaps some opposed to it are dissatisfied with it, wish to have it improved.

My plan is a decent one, but I would like the opportunity to shop for better. I'm stuck with what I have.

My GF is forced to purchase a plan with maternity coverage despite her having a hysterectomy. Why?

You seem to have a very narrow view of things...btw it is amendments, not commandments. ..27 actually. Please don't get biblical on me...exactly how many more Commandments would you have there be? Thou shalt not what?