So net, a loophole has apparently been closed and the game has moved to a better place? Sounds like a win for the community.

Bbunch, when I'm done with my run at Mizzou, I'm forwarding you my remaining credits for taking the slings and arrows. Let me know anytime you want a preseason game.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/16/2020 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bbunch on 4/16/2020 10:45:00 AM (view original):
In my WIS support ticket, it says that the loophole was just closed recently. We will see.

oh nice.

benis, can you make the next thread one about how dumb it is the sim will replace perfectly good walkons with terrible scholarship players even under an active coach who literally just cut someone to open said spot?

Awesome this got fixed after literally years asking Seble to. Better late than never and it makes the game better for everyone.

Hmm I hadn't even thought of that one! At the current rate we've been getting the small improvements, we should expect to see the next one right around the corner!

2016- 3.0 Launched
2017 - National champs List fixed
2018- Work Ethic glitch fixed
2019- Considering list extended beyond 10 teams
2020- Renewal loophole glitch fixed
2021- ?????

Posted by Benis on 4/16/2020 12:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/16/2020 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bbunch on 4/16/2020 10:45:00 AM (view original):
In my WIS support ticket, it says that the loophole was just closed recently. We will see.

oh nice.

benis, can you make the next thread one about how dumb it is the sim will replace perfectly good walkons with terrible scholarship players even under an active coach who literally just cut someone to open said spot?

Awesome this got fixed after literally years asking Seble to. Better late than never and it makes the game better for everyone.

Hmm I hadn't even thought of that one! At the current rate we've been getting the small improvements, we should expect to see the next one right around the corner!

2016- 3.0 Launched
2017 - National champs List fixed
2018- Work Ethic glitch fixed
2019- Considering list extended beyond 10 teams
2020- Renewal loophole glitch fixed
2021- ?????

Can someone find a way to get accused of cheating for taking advantage of the Red ST glitch somehow so we can make a great forum and get that fixed?

https://www.whatifsports.com/locker/site_updates.asp?sport=HD

The site update that should put concerns to rest.

awesome - now I can be irresponsible with my renewals and not start a 10 page thread!

Seriously though, thanks for being not THAT hard on me for the most part, and I appreciate many of you either coming to my defense, or disagreeing in a respectful way. And I really appreciate the mystery 5-pack donor - that was awesome. And Davefilby, I'll always be happy to take you up on that offer, but I'd rather see you continue coaching than give up credits - our old Longwood-Incarnate Word IBA battles were legendary.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/16/2020 11:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 4/16/2020 9:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/15/2020 11:28:00 PM (view original):
I disagree in a major way man. If someone actually wanted to take advantage of this loophole they could get rings upon rings at others people expense for money and fun.

I don’t think this loophole brings rings upon rings. At high D1 is where I’d look for the big impact of intentional 2-account cheating, someone doing it season after season to get extra funds for extra battles, without much risk of losing a team. The real impact of noticing someone doing this intentionally at any level is that they most likely have multiple accounts, and use them in tandem to gain another bigger advantage. By far, I think, using multiple accounts to get a double-sized scouting pool has more impact.

I disagree that high D1 would be the most effective way to do this. D3 would be bigger because in D3 you rarely have funds to battle. If you have double the funds, you can beat out any other D3 team in battles likely.

A team doing this at D3 was at risk of losing the team, though. At high D1, there’s virtually no risk, because the only people eligible for those jobs are people not likely to want to move.

Someone like ab90 could do this at D3 and never lose the job because of resume. It's like how he get any D2 or D3 job he wants anyway.

It doesn’t matter anymore if it’s been closed. But at high D1, the number of coaches who are even able take your program is maybe a handful or two. Probably less than a dozen for any team above B+. At D3, even with an A+ prestige, it’s probably 5x that, at least. Do coaches want to move down? For an A+ program, you bet. Guys “like ab90” do that all the time (I don’t know if he specifically does this, but generally speaking, credit hunters are definitely looking at high value D3 programs that open up). Plus all the coaches who are retired from a world, but might want to jump back in any given year. There was a risk at D3 and D2. Doesn’t matter much how high the prestige was. At D1, that risk really wasn’t there.

Posted by shoe3 on 4/16/2020 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/16/2020 11:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 4/16/2020 9:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/15/2020 11:28:00 PM (view original):
I disagree in a major way man. If someone actually wanted to take advantage of this loophole they could get rings upon rings at others people expense for money and fun.

I don’t think this loophole brings rings upon rings. At high D1 is where I’d look for the big impact of intentional 2-account cheating, someone doing it season after season to get extra funds for extra battles, without much risk of losing a team. The real impact of noticing someone doing this intentionally at any level is that they most likely have multiple accounts, and use them in tandem to gain another bigger advantage. By far, I think, using multiple accounts to get a double-sized scouting pool has more impact.

I disagree that high D1 would be the most effective way to do this. D3 would be bigger because in D3 you rarely have funds to battle. If you have double the funds, you can beat out any other D3 team in battles likely.

A team doing this at D3 was at risk of losing the team, though. At high D1, there’s virtually no risk, because the only people eligible for those jobs are people not likely to want to move.

Yeah, that isn't right. "Virtually no risk" isn't really true until you get to true A+ D1. At the A,A-,B+ I would say there is significant risk.

The reason I brought up ab is because he grabs every A+ championship-caliber team open I’ve ever seen personally (unless he’s grabbed a team before, so can’t move, or there are 2). Ive never seen anyone beat him for one of those teams.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/16/2020 2:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 4/16/2020 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/16/2020 11:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 4/16/2020 9:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/15/2020 11:28:00 PM (view original):
I disagree in a major way man. If someone actually wanted to take advantage of this loophole they could get rings upon rings at others people expense for money and fun.

I don’t think this loophole brings rings upon rings. At high D1 is where I’d look for the big impact of intentional 2-account cheating, someone doing it season after season to get extra funds for extra battles, without much risk of losing a team. The real impact of noticing someone doing this intentionally at any level is that they most likely have multiple accounts, and use them in tandem to gain another bigger advantage. By far, I think, using multiple accounts to get a double-sized scouting pool has more impact.

I disagree that high D1 would be the most effective way to do this. D3 would be bigger because in D3 you rarely have funds to battle. If you have double the funds, you can beat out any other D3 team in battles likely.

A team doing this at D3 was at risk of losing the team, though. At high D1, there’s virtually no risk, because the only people eligible for those jobs are people not likely to want to move.

Yeah, that isn't right. "Virtually no risk" isn't really true until you get to true A+ D1. At the A,A-,B+ I would say there is significant risk.

I think at those levels there's an illusion of risk, but realistically, incumbents are very unlikely to lose those jobs.

Truly qualified coaches would have to give up a good situation, unless they're coming back from a break.

Posted by kcsundevil on 4/16/2020 4:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/16/2020 2:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 4/16/2020 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/16/2020 11:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 4/16/2020 9:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/15/2020 11:28:00 PM (view original):
I disagree in a major way man. If someone actually wanted to take advantage of this loophole they could get rings upon rings at others people expense for money and fun.

I don’t think this loophole brings rings upon rings. At high D1 is where I’d look for the big impact of intentional 2-account cheating, someone doing it season after season to get extra funds for extra battles, without much risk of losing a team. The real impact of noticing someone doing this intentionally at any level is that they most likely have multiple accounts, and use them in tandem to gain another bigger advantage. By far, I think, using multiple accounts to get a double-sized scouting pool has more impact.

I disagree that high D1 would be the most effective way to do this. D3 would be bigger because in D3 you rarely have funds to battle. If you have double the funds, you can beat out any other D3 team in battles likely.

A team doing this at D3 was at risk of losing the team, though. At high D1, there’s virtually no risk, because the only people eligible for those jobs are people not likely to want to move.

Yeah, that isn't right. "Virtually no risk" isn't really true until you get to true A+ D1. At the A,A-,B+ I would say there is significant risk.

I think at those levels there's an illusion of risk, but realistically, incumbents are very unlikely to lose those jobs.

Truly qualified coaches would have to give up a good situation, unless they're coming back from a break.

Exactly. You have to have a stellar resume to take over an A- level and above D1 program (I did say “high D1”). That’s why we so rarely see coach changes at the upper level, those top level teams almost always go sim for at least a season or two, and drop some prestige before someone who wants to move is eligible for it.

The point remains, there are likely *at least* 5 times the number of coaches qualified for a top D3 job than a top D1 job. Probably a lot more than that.

Posted by davefilby on 4/16/2020 12:21:00 PM (view original):
So net, a loophole has apparently been closed and the game has moved to a better place? Sounds like a win for the community.

Bbunch, when I'm done with my run at Mizzou, I'm forwarding you my remaining credits for taking the slings and arrows. Let me know anytime you want a preseason game.

Maybe Dave was the 5 pack guy?

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/16/2020 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by davefilby on 4/16/2020 12:21:00 PM (view original):
So net, a loophole has apparently been closed and the game has moved to a better place? Sounds like a win for the community.

Bbunch, when I'm done with my run at Mizzou, I'm forwarding you my remaining credits for taking the slings and arrows. Let me know anytime you want a preseason game.

Maybe Dave was the 5 pack guy?

old dave or old resorter they both abuse 5 pack codes.

Posted by WardoYT on 4/16/2020 9:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/16/2020 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by davefilby on 4/16/2020 12:21:00 PM (view original):
So net, a loophole has apparently been closed and the game has moved to a better place? Sounds like a win for the community.

Bbunch, when I'm done with my run at Mizzou, I'm forwarding you my remaining credits for taking the slings and arrows. Let me know anytime you want a preseason game.

Maybe Dave was the 5 pack guy?

old dave or old resorter they both abuse 5 pack codes.

We made it 149 posts before it went off the rails guys.