My team plays motion/press. I'm looking at a recruit with 55 stamina (blue). 44 work ethic. He knows neither my offense nor defense. But I'm planning to start him as a freshman, and am planning to offer guaranteed starter.

His playing time preference is "Wants to Play".

How many minutes would you feel safe offering and be able to meet that offer as a freshman?

15 minutes with the press as a freshman would be my max considering the low stamina. If you run slowdown you might get close enough to 20 to not lose WE if you offered 20 minutes.

If you use fatigue settings, 15 minutes is all I'd do. If you use target minutes..... maybe 20

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/19/2020 7:49:00 PM (view original):
If you use fatigue settings, 15 minutes is all I'd do. If you use target minutes..... maybe 20

if you run target minutes while playing press you are doing something seriously wrong :)

so, here's the deal - the guy, assuming 24 cond practice or so - can fairly easily hit 18mpg or so - which is almost always enough to qualify for the 20mpg. if the guy is picky about promises, slowdown or playing him getting tired against near-sure wins (or losses, i suppose) will usually get you there.

is it worth it, the value of the 5m, and the slightly higher very high preference? my take - a lot of the times, it isnt. if this is like, a battle to the end for one of those recruits who can almost anchor a whole program... then sure, do the 20m. its risky but manageable *if you pay attention*. if you tend to skip the regular season i would definitely steer clear.

If slowdown, 20. If not, 15. I'd personally do 20 and set him to very tired against sims if he was great and it was a for sure roll.

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Posted by gillispie1 on 4/20/2020 1:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/19/2020 7:49:00 PM (view original):
If you use fatigue settings, 15 minutes is all I'd do. If you use target minutes..... maybe 20

if you run target minutes while playing press you are doing something seriously wrong :)

Agreed. But if your goal is fulfilling promises, you may end up forced into using it

Does it still count as not meeting the promised minutes if a guy fouls out?

Posted by Baums_away on 4/20/2020 10:55:00 AM (view original):
Does it still count as not meeting the promised minutes if a guy fouls out?

No that game gets disregarded.

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/20/2020 9:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/20/2020 1:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/19/2020 7:49:00 PM (view original):
If you use fatigue settings, 15 minutes is all I'd do. If you use target minutes..... maybe 20

if you run target minutes while playing press you are doing something seriously wrong :)

Agreed. But if your goal is fulfilling promises, you may end up forced into using it

i disagree - this should never, ever happen. you are better off running 1 or 2 guys on tired than an entire press team on minutes. minutes is not a reasonable option for any press team ever. you could possibly contrive a scenario so disastrous, it makes sense, but i wouldn't be surprised if over the life of HD, since the advent of fatigue, not one of those has occurred yet.

edit: the only reason i am being a dick about it is, i don't think the average coach realizes 1) how bad the average coach is at using minutes and 2) how bad minutes is for high fatigue sets. both are just complete train wreck disasters. a minutes 'expert' would never dare run it on press, its insanity. i mean, to experiment, sure. but for real? not a chance. i shudder at the thought of someone who doesn't know their way through minutes trying it with press. instant -5 wins on the season?

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/20/2020 11:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Baums_away on 4/20/2020 10:55:00 AM (view original):
Does it still count as not meeting the promised minutes if a guy fouls out?

No that game gets disregarded.

true, but with a caveat. the game gets counted now if it actually helps you (in the olden days, foul games were discarded no matter what). so now foul out games are a freebie. if you foul out late, and make your minutes, you get credit - if not, no harm no foul.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/20/2020 2:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/20/2020 11:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Baums_away on 4/20/2020 10:55:00 AM (view original):
Does it still count as not meeting the promised minutes if a guy fouls out?

No that game gets disregarded.

true, but with a caveat. the game gets counted now if it actually helps you (in the olden days, foul games were discarded no matter what). so now foul out games are a freebie. if you foul out late, and make your minutes, you get credit - if not, no harm no foul.

This is actually only true once you get the email complaining about lack of PT. Up until that time, the player considers only average minutes played, regardless of fouling out. After the complaint email, foul outs don’t count if they are below your promised amount.

25 to ineligible. 20 on a man to man team or zone, 15 press.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/20/2020 11:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Baums_away on 4/20/2020 10:55:00 AM (view original):
Does it still count as not meeting the promised minutes if a guy fouls out?

No that game gets disregarded.

Not true. Foul outs and injuries still count against promises. I am not sure if that counts after the complaint email.