Posted by jwynkoop2424 on 3/13/2020 10:03:00 PM (view original):
@pray4pro or anyone else that can answer this...

You said
“DITRs can be super helpful if you sell out for them, but also aren't going to hurt you if you ignore them imo. Once I get to AAAA or worse on my draft board I start putting DITR candidates up there.”

How do you identify potential DITR prospects prior to the draft? This part I’m not understanding. A few people make it seem that they are obvious.

Thanks

It depends on how in depth you want to go lol. For starters, any player with a projected overall under 60 is eligible for DITR. Then you consider their individual ratings and makeup. I usually only go after guys w/makeup 80 or above, unless they have good ratings for DITR. If you want to keep going in depth for each player I look at how their ratings would be affected Post-DITR.

For ratings, Ideally I want two things: high ratings in skills that don't get any bump:

• Pitchers - Velocity, GB Rate, Dur
• Hitters - Arm Strength, Eye (gets a slight bump but not much)

But maybe most importantly a somewhat balanced skill set. You get a higher bump if for ratings that are lower pre-DITR, so you can maximize your potential by not having 1 super high rating. It seems like Splits for both hitters/pitchers get the highest bumps, so if anythings lower it should be that. So for instance:

• Pitchers - I like to try and get Control & Splits in the 30-50 range if possible. With a good makeup that can put you in the 60-80 range post DITR.
  • Bonus: 3rd/4th/5th pitches can get huge bonuses, so having those extra pitches is super helpful.
  • Bonus: Stamina gets a big bump for relievers, so you can easily get a guy with bad stamina (Stokes is a perfect example) and good control/splits/etc., and after the DITR bump they will dynamite relievers. If you're relievers already has decent stamina you now have a huge inning eater with that STA/DUR combo.
• Hitters - I like to get power in the 40/50s range with eye around there too. Then maybe slightly lower for splits.
  • Bonus: Switchhitting doesn't affect your overall rating, so definitely target them for DITR.
  • Bonus: Catchers have lower overalls usually, so that makes them good targets. But I would also say those DH/poor fielding 1st baseman are great too. Range/Glove gets a big bump, so a guy like Ozuna can go from DH fielding stats to elite 1B glove.

How do they determine how many DITR you get? I almost never get more than one and I consistently see other teams getting 2/3.

Posted by bigbucks07 on 3/15/2020 10:56:00 PM (view original):
How do they determine how many DITR you get? I almost never get more than one and I consistently see other teams getting 2/3.

Tried figuring this out but couldn't find any correlation. I also get only 1 each time now. I run good minor league teams, invest heavily in coaching, sign all draft picks, so I'm not sure honestly. A few years ago one of the developers did an interview on the Fangraphs podcast and mentioned there was something that you can do to get more, but wouldn't go into detail. Alas

Posted by pray4pro on 3/17/2020 2:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bigbucks07 on 3/15/2020 10:56:00 PM (view original):
How do they determine how many DITR you get? I almost never get more than one and I consistently see other teams getting 2/3.

Tried figuring this out but couldn't find any correlation. I also get only 1 each time now. I run good minor league teams, invest heavily in coaching, sign all draft picks, so I'm not sure honestly. A few years ago one of the developers did an interview on the Fangraphs podcast and mentioned there was something that you can do to get more, but wouldn't go into detail. Alas

Was that before or after the last major update? Could it be that there was a way before the update but it's random now?

Posted by bruinsfan911 on 3/17/2020 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pray4pro on 3/17/2020 2:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bigbucks07 on 3/15/2020 10:56:00 PM (view original):
How do they determine how many DITR you get? I almost never get more than one and I consistently see other teams getting 2/3.

Tried figuring this out but couldn't find any correlation. I also get only 1 each time now. I run good minor league teams, invest heavily in coaching, sign all draft picks, so I'm not sure honestly. A few years ago one of the developers did an interview on the Fangraphs podcast and mentioned there was something that you can do to get more, but wouldn't go into detail. Alas

Was that before or after the last major update? Could it be that there was a way before the update but it's random now?

Looks like the interview is from 2013, which I assume is after the last major update. Might be on to something

Posted by pray4pro on 3/17/2020 8:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruinsfan911 on 3/17/2020 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pray4pro on 3/17/2020 2:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bigbucks07 on 3/15/2020 10:56:00 PM (view original):
How do they determine how many DITR you get? I almost never get more than one and I consistently see other teams getting 2/3.

Tried figuring this out but couldn't find any correlation. I also get only 1 each time now. I run good minor league teams, invest heavily in coaching, sign all draft picks, so I'm not sure honestly. A few years ago one of the developers did an interview on the Fangraphs podcast and mentioned there was something that you can do to get more, but wouldn't go into detail. Alas

Was that before or after the last major update? Could it be that there was a way before the update but it's random now?

Looks like the interview is from 2013, which I assume is after the last major update. Might be on to something

Last major update was in 2015...so it's significantly less likely than I originally thought. But I'm going to hang onto the hope that it's somewhat true, haha.

Posted by tlowster on 3/17/2020 8:52:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by pray4pro on 3/13/2020 2:18:00 PM (view original):
DITRs can be super helpful if you sell out for them, but also aren't going to hurt you if you ignore them imo. Once I get to AAAA or worse on my draft board I start putting DITR candidates up there. I then deactivate any all poor candidates prior to the futures game.

In addition to Catchers/Relievers, I think First baseman & Starting Pitchers can also be great DITR candidates. First Basemen because they don't need AS, but get huge Range/Glove & Hitting increases. Starting Pitchers because they oftentimes have 4 or 5 pitches, which all get huge bumps. Also remember that switch hitters are great because that doesn't affect the overall requirement. Relievers also become super useful because they get huge STA bumps and can eat a ton of innings.

While the strategy above has probably led me to getting only 1 each season for awhile, It has led to really good players each season, guys who would be at least considered 1st round comp picks if not 1st rounders:

All the Way Mae
S11: Player Profile: J.P. Nicasio - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Solid switching hitting 1b with great glove and solid hitting ratings
S12: Player Profile: Marv Demel - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 71/50 DUR/STA combo is absurd, with 70+ in all pitching ratings.
S12: Player Profile: Vicente Uribe - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 73/49 DUR/STA with similar ratings as Demel.
S12: Player Profile: Yasmani Martin - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - 49/49 DUR/STA w/elite pitches
S13: Left a 5 year pro activated and he never made it to the bigs
S14: Player Profile: James Kuo - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports Great Catcher Platoon VRHP. DITR helped his defensive ratings get even more absurd.
S15: Player Profile: Johnny Latimore - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Looks to be a solid SP prospect (projected to be 79 ovr after DITR).
S16: Player Profile: Jim Stokes - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Already a really solid ML RP with the potential to have 80+ CON/VL/VR/1P/2P
S17: Player Profile: Luis Ozuna - Hardball Dynasty Baseball | WhatIfSports - Already a borderline ML 1b, hopefully VR gets to 70 with 85+ POW/Eye.

All very useful pieces, but no superstars obviously. Kuo/Stokes were one of the few guys I left activated w/3+ years of experience because they were AAAA guys already. Overall, I've found this strategy a very good tool since it really requires no resources besides maybe a decent scouting budget. I also love to load up on comp picks, so the DITR relievers are great because they have such a low ovr threshold to get a Comp A pick.

Pray4pro, one quick question before I get into my thoughts about the above -- when the above guys got hit with DITR, approximately when did it hit? 1st year pro, 2nd year, 3rd year or later?

I figured that a college recruiting strategy would be better because you have more guys that are aged 20/21/22 that are still in their first year pro. Based on the above list, I think that is accurate. I have had a few 18 year olds get it, but it is rare. Same with 19 year olds. If you look at the DITR list when it comes out and sort by age, it has mostly players from ages 20-23. I just checked three Worlds to make sure and the break can be seen below. As you can see, there is a lack of DITR players under the age of 20.

Also, another HUGE thing to consider is that college guys are older and typically start their pro career with closer to peak makeup. So, a player that has a makeup rating that is higher, but no pro development is better off getting DITR than the HS player that was drafted at 18 and gets hit with DITR at the age of 20 0r 21 and is already in his third or fourth year of pro development and has a makeup rating that is still developing.

18	3
19	5
20	12
21	6
22	14
23	13
24	9

18	3
19	9
20	11
21	12
22	9
23	8
24	6

18	2
19	4
20	7
21	9
22	9
23	10
24	14

Nicassio, Demel & Lattimore - 1st year - All their draft projections changed post DITR.
Martin - 2nd
Uribe - 3rd
Kuo, Stokes & Ozuna - 4th year - All these guys were AAAA guys pre DITR so I left them activated.

And I also rarely see 18 year old DITRs for whatever reason. But i never realized 19 year olds were also more rare as well, that's interesting. I always considered the DITR bump to have a multiplier effect, so the more development left for a player the better. So while 18 year olds in theory have the highest potential, It seems like they're also much more rare.

Thanks, Pray4pro. I also like that your user name goes along with this DITR subject. We all pray that our DITR players will be pros.

I still think that if you are going to put DITR candidates high on your draft board, it is better to do it with college players than HS players, but i am not going to switch because that would be five seasons of uncertainty in my draft pool. Maybe my next World that I join, I will try the college side.

Lol the user name actually comes from the old Alabama wide receiver Tyrone Prothro. Was one of my favorite players when he went down with the terrible leg injury. I thought about signing up for a new username when I came back to WIS since that was so long ago and I'm not super religious either, but figured I'd keep it to turn around my record.

When you say that the player must have a overall rating below 60 to be selected as a DITR, are you speaking about the current rating or projected rating? Because everyone's projected overall ratings will be different

Posted by jwynkoop2424 on 4/26/2020 12:07:00 PM (view original):
When you say that the player must have a overall rating below 60 to be selected as a DITR, are you speaking about the current rating or projected rating? Because everyone's projected overall ratings will be different

TRUE projected rating. As in, what the system sees, not what owners can see.

Can a player be a DITR in multiple seasons?

Posted by minus55 on 4/27/2020 1:51:00 PM (view original):
Can a player be a DITR in multiple seasons?

Yes-- but he must remain DitR-eligible after the first one; that is, his "true" projected overall has to be below 60 even after the first DitR, which is pretty rare.

Once, a long while back, someone posted a player who got 2 DitR's simultaneously. I've never heard of that happening again.

Posted by dedelman on 4/27/2020 2:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by minus55 on 4/27/2020 1:51:00 PM (view original):
Can a player be a DITR in multiple seasons?

Yes-- but he must remain DitR-eligible after the first one; that is, his "true" projected overall has to be below 60 even after the first DitR, which is pretty rare.

Once, a long while back, someone posted a player who got 2 DitR's simultaneously. I've never heard of that happening again.

I had it happen once. A catcher. After the second DiTR, he would have been on track to be able to play any position but SS and CF.
Still couldn't hit a lick.

Just looked at some DITR's from previous seasons & noticed that health ratings are unaffected. That being said, does it make sense to deactivate candidates with poor health ratings?

I go back and forth. Because the health rating drives overall, you can theoretically get a better candidate. But you really don’t want someone getting hurt if they get the DITR. If you have good medical and training I’d probably only deactivate guys 40 health or below

My DITR philosophy is simple and effective. Don't go for prospects under 60. You do not need to deactivate anyone and I get ML potential better than 50% of the time. At the very least I always have the best AAA and AA squads and tons of tradeable prospects and injury relief. Too easy.