Posted by DougOut on 5/6/2020 2:07:00 PM (view original):
WOW! JUST WOW! THANKS for sanity. By the way....the majority agrees with you.

I don't think that's true.

Also, if you ever agree with me, do me a favor and keep it to yourself.

Thanks.

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/6/2020 2:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 5/5/2020 7:32:00 PM (view original):
On a side note, the very online left that acts like the democrats aren't doing anything and Trumps 1200 check will be an insurmountable thing to politic against....how ******* dumb are They? Like you say, it's a pittance, it's nothing, and does nothing to stop the virus.

All he cares about is the economg, and it will not come back without much more testing, which for some reason he can't wrap his mind around.

This is also technically wrong.

The virus is not what hurt the economy. The response to the virus is what hurt the economy.

The fatality rate among working-age people is a fraction of 1%. That's not enough to disrupt industries or close supply chains. If we had just continued living life totally normally, our hospitals would look like apocalyptic war zones. We saw a little of that in New York, as well as in other countries. But for anybody outside a hospital, things wouldn't look all that unusual. Keep in mind that something like 2.8 million people die in the United States per year in the absence of the novel coronavirus. A year with, at worst, maybe double the normal number of deaths would just feel like an anomaly to individuals if they weren't looking at broader statistics. This is actually a bit of an interesting question - if you didn't know that covid existed, would you know that covid existed? That is, if this had happened in 1800, but with modern fatality rates, would anybody notice that a new pandemic was occurring? Without the technology to detect the new virus, and the information-sharing capability to see that aggregate death rates were up in a widespread manner, I suspect it would feel like just an anomalously sick year. But that wouldn't tank the economy.

Agreed that the response hurt.

It's always a balancing act between doing the best realistic job of saving lives and doing the best realistic job of preserving economic wellbeing.

Right now, with states starting to reopen, we're getting the worst of both worlds. We've already seen the spike in unemployment, for the time being the stock markets appear to have bottomed out as low as they're going to go, but we're still going to kill lots of people.

When things first started to close, saying they'd be back in 2 weeks, I was saying, basically "this is stupid. We shouldn't close anything we're not willing to commit to for at least 4-6 months." The federal guidelines, which at least I know NY has adopted for reopening regionally, are fundamentally nonsensical. They're based on rates, which is pointless. Once people start intermingling, the change in infection rate immediately prior to that change is irrelevent. The trend was based on the rules before you changed them. The only thing that matters is the actual total number of sick people. And the reality is that even if they wait for 2 weeks of declines, many states or regions are going to have more sick people than when they first started shutting down. But not so many cases to have developed any meaningful amount of herd immunity. So that just means the disease is going to spread faster than it would have in the first place. If you're willing to live with that, fine, but you should have lived with it in the first place - before all the job loss, stock market crash, etc.

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/6/2020 2:45:00 PM (view original):
It's always a balancing act between doing the best realistic job of saving lives and doing the best realistic job of preserving economic wellbeing.

Right now, with states starting to reopen, we're getting the worst of both worlds. We've already seen the spike in unemployment, for the time being the stock markets appear to have bottomed out as low as they're going to go, but we're still going to kill lots of people.

When things first started to close, saying they'd be back in 2 weeks, I was saying, basically "this is stupid. We shouldn't close anything we're not willing to commit to for at least 4-6 months." The federal guidelines, which at least I know NY has adopted for reopening regionally, are fundamentally nonsensical. They're based on rates, which is pointless. Once people start intermingling, the change in infection rate immediately prior to that change is irrelevent. The trend was based on the rules before you changed them. The only thing that matters is the actual total number of sick people. And the reality is that even if they wait for 2 weeks of declines, many states or regions are going to have more sick people than when they first started shutting down. But not so many cases to have developed any meaningful amount of herd immunity. So that just means the disease is going to spread faster than it would have in the first place. If you're willing to live with that, fine, but you should have lived with it in the first place - before all the job loss, stock market crash, etc.

Agreed completely. Worst of both worlds.

Not to sound conspiratorial or crazy, but it seems like the goal was to gut us.

You're right on a lot Dahs, re the economy stuff, I would argue that we don't need to choose between bailing out business and people, we should balance both. No one should be permanently ****** financially because of this virus.

WOW! JUST WOW! THANKS FOR AGREEING WITH ME......AGAIN!

YeAH@ Take your what he said somewhere else youse guys. Me and rsp is having covid conversation. Pluswise his poem.

“Judith”

A Perfect Circle

Peak Position 4

Weeks On Chart 27

Only you think it’s a “poem” dummy.

Posted by rsp777 on 5/6/2020 6:31:00 PM (view original):

“Judith”

A Perfect Circle

Peak Position 4

Weeks On Chart 27

Only you think it’s a “poem” dummy.

ONLY YOU THINK YOU WROTE IT................



DUMMY!

bronx likes your poem you didn't write

What year did you write this great poem?

You're such an inspiration for the ways
That I'll never ever choose to be
Oh so many ways for me to show you
How the savior has abandoned you
**** your God
Your Lord and your Christ
He did this
Took all you had and
Left you this way
Still you pray, you never stray
Never taste of the fruit
You never thought to question why
It's not like you killed someone
It's not like you drove a hateful spear into his side
Praise the one who left you
Broken down and paralyzed
He did it all for you
He did it all for you
Oh so many many ways for me to show you
How your dogma has abandoned you
Pray to your Christ, to your god
Never taste of the fruit
Never stray, never break…

FLYNN TO WIN

Take your bullshit somewhere else.

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/6/2020 2:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 5/5/2020 7:32:00 PM (view original):
On a side note, the very online left that acts like the democrats aren't doing anything and Trumps 1200 check will be an insurmountable thing to politic against....how ******* dumb are They? Like you say, it's a pittance, it's nothing, and does nothing to stop the virus.

All he cares about is the economg, and it will not come back without much more testing, which for some reason he can't wrap his mind around.

This is also technically wrong.

The virus is not what hurt the economy. The response to the virus is what hurt the economy.

The fatality rate among working-age people is a fraction of 1%. That's not enough to disrupt industries or close supply chains. If we had just continued living life totally normally, our hospitals would look like apocalyptic war zones. We saw a little of that in New York, as well as in other countries. But for anybody outside a hospital, things wouldn't look all that unusual. Keep in mind that something like 2.8 million people die in the United States per year in the absence of the novel coronavirus. A year with, at worst, maybe double the normal number of deaths would just feel like an anomaly to individuals if they weren't looking at broader statistics. This is actually a bit of an interesting question - if you didn't know that covid existed, would you know that covid existed? That is, if this had happened in 1800, but with modern fatality rates, would anybody notice that a new pandemic was occurring? Without the technology to detect the new virus, and the information-sharing capability to see that aggregate death rates were up in a widespread manner, I suspect it would feel like just an anomalously sick year. But that wouldn't tank the economy.

Likely all logical and generally inarguable.
However, you might tell that to all those meat packing plant employees who have been sickened (and some killed!) and then seen their plants shut down as this virus spreads amongst them all! I bet they all could have told you SOMETHING bad was happening and I also bet they would have left some written record of the "illness" that killed them and their co-workers back in 2020. What we use as an "explanation" of the deaths on in to the future isn't known at this time, much less if this HAD occurred in 1800.

Trump defenders are likely to call this episode of death just a "hoax" or a widespread panic driven fear event, rather than ANY actual form of illness.
Problem with that is that............THIS is just a harbinger.................NOT the be all end all of novel virus's aimed at ending human life on earth.
The corona virus is just the beginning, not the end, of upcoming viral attacks.
Mama has had enough!
She is fighting back.............any competent scientist will tell you, we face far worse than corona virus, somewhere up around the bend.
And the so-called richest country on earth can't summon the courage or the will and leadership to institute widespread anti-body testing for it's citizens.
Sickening lack of foresight. Literally!

Not listening to experts and believing in a con man who knows better is a recipe for extinction!
Mama doesn't even need the help BUT she'll take it!

bob, once again your hatred is making you post ridiculously false things. Please share with me any information that links Trump's supporters/defenders to calling this virus a hoax, any more than Trump-haters.

I'm still not understanding why you and so many others insist that Trump should have done more and done it sooner. Show me evidence where anyone was clamoring for testing and bans back in February (we know the Dems were begging people to travel to Chinatown), and why Trump should have believed them over those he was being advised by.

This is a once-in-a-centennial (or more) World-wide pandemic, and I find it appalling that people continue to try to use it to further their political agenda.