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Anyone ever have another coach reach out to them to ask them to stop recruiting a player? Lol what a joke.
5/16/2020 9:13 AM
What I received for context:

Hey so I saw you just started recruiting *player* after seeing that I was the only team
pursuing him. Could you stop please? I have a lot of recruiting spots open and really dont want to have to waste all of my/your resources. Thanks

He just started playing and has played 15 seasons. This is also a recruit with Late signing tendency. Not sure he understands how recruiting works. Never seen something like this.

5/16/2020 9:24 AM
I did several years ago. I told them I would right after I contacted Customer Service to let them know about their attempt at collusion. Needless to say I never heard from them again. And I signed the recruit.
5/16/2020 9:26 AM
This ****** me off. A couple of other things. First he is a local recruit (quite some distance from him). Second I have more available spots open so I have no clue in what world he thinks he has more resources. I have him in prestige as well.
5/16/2020 9:48 AM
I would send him this.....

Dear Coach K,

I'm sorry I tried recruiting someone you contacted first. I know you bonded with him and so of course I'll stop recruiting him.

Sincerely,

Roy Williams

and then keep recruiting him
5/16/2020 10:02 AM
Posted by tdiddy3 on 5/16/2020 10:02:00 AM (view original):
I would send him this.....

Dear Coach K,

I'm sorry I tried recruiting someone you contacted first. I know you bonded with him and so of course I'll stop recruiting him.

Sincerely,

Roy Williams

and then keep recruiting him
Lol
5/16/2020 10:09 AM
Years ago in HD 2.0 I had a coach (very well-respected in the forums, at that time) reach out via site mail asking to share FSS data. I simply responded with "no thanks" and never heard from him again.
5/16/2020 11:00 AM
I must be missing something
5/16/2020 11:06 AM
Out the bastards.
5/16/2020 11:20 AM
Keep us posted on the results of the battle.
5/16/2020 11:39 AM
Posted by hulnder on 5/16/2020 11:39:00 AM (view original):
Keep us posted on the results of the battle.
Knowing my luck I’ll lose an in state recruit to a C- NJ school.
5/16/2020 12:25 PM
His response to my sitemail:

I was just trying to let you know im going to put every last cent into this guy. Hes just another recruit to you but to me he would be the best ive ever had. Yes I am aware you have more resources than me. Was just hoping you would not make us fight for the guy.
5/16/2020 12:29 PM
jcee, i took it rough when i first got to d1 and started getting collusive sitemails on the regular. you newer folks may not realize this but collusion was not even against the rules for the first major leg of the existence of hd. it got to the point that a couple groups were literally drafting recruits, and eventually enough coaches complained (OR pushed the effort significantly) and tarek (old admin, creator) eventually stepped in (was dragged in??). still, the after-effects took many years to flush through.

here's my advice. delete the post that names the coach, and instead take the opportunity to in a friendly way point the coach to the fair play guidelines and explain that this is collusive behavior and is against the rules. especially newer coaches, its very possible 1) they aren't totally aware, or 2) they sort of know its not allowed but don't have the experience to understand how much it is frowned upon or how much it undermines competition.

this is advice born from experience. when i hit d1, i was so immediately successful, i literally got hit by dozens of theses, in a relatively short period. i've tried all the methods for responding to them, had to put up with a couple idiot cheaters annoying me for 5 years after i named one of them, a year or two after it had happened (i was drunk and the coach in question was getting his named dragged through the mud for the 3rd or so time, and it seemed particularly relevant). god that guy was ******. his idiot friend too. i had coaches i greatly respected reach out too - that was by far the worst.

but, i also got warned for collusion once, as a new coach off a CC post that i would never make today based on my understanding that it is nearly impossible to say *anything* during recruiting that does not reveal even the slightest bit of information. any information reveal can lead to collusion, intentional or not. this is one reason i hate season-long recruiting... at least in the olden days, you could bite your tongue for two days, then let it all out. now its like you still have stupid session 2, its like by the time you could safely talk about it, a month has elapsed and by then you hopefully aren't still hanging on to that crap. but anyway, i learned from that lesson - largely because even though i was shocked when i got a note from the game admins about collusion - they were friendly, and so was everyone else who chimed in - and i learned my lesson on the spot without any bitterness.

anyway, i just kinda learned over time... the best way to help eliminate collusion is to take a firm but friendly stand against it in all these cases. by saying 'screw you cheater', the other guy gets to say 'screw you man, chill' right back. i think by being understanding but also firmly against collusion, it makes it harder for the other guy to write off your take on the situation. it also reduces the drama and bickering. nobody wants to be judged by their worst day, and there's a bunch of reasons that the entire community isn't 100% on the same page as to what is fair play and what isn't, and how much that matters. a non-forum going coach with 15 seasons is a perfect target for this approach, IMO!

additional comment - also probably sharing a private message publicly without the knowledge/consent of the other party gives him an opening to write you off as a ***** and an outlier, not realizing your stance on collusion is shared by the vast majority.
5/16/2020 4:46 PM (edited)
Posted by gillispie1 on 5/16/2020 4:46:00 PM (view original):
jcee, i took it rough when i first got to d1 and started getting collusive sitemails on the regular. you newer folks may not realize this but collusion was not even against the rules for the first major leg of the existence of hd. it got to the point that a couple groups were literally drafting recruits, and eventually enough coaches complained (OR pushed the effort significantly) and tarek (old admin, creator) eventually stepped in (was dragged in??). still, the after-effects took many years to flush through.

here's my advice. delete the post that names the coach, and instead take the opportunity to in a friendly way point the coach to the fair play guidelines and explain that this is collusive behavior and is against the rules. especially newer coaches, its very possible 1) they aren't totally aware, or 2) they sort of know its not allowed but don't have the experience to understand how much it is frowned upon or how much it undermines competition.

this is advice born from experience. when i hit d1, i was so immediately successful, i literally got hit by dozens of theses, in a relatively short period. i've tried all the methods for responding to them, had to put up with a couple idiot cheaters annoying me for 5 years after i named one of them, a year or two after it had happened (i was drunk and the coach in question was getting his named dragged through the mud for the 3rd or so time, and it seemed particularly relevant). god that guy was ******. his idiot friend too. i had coaches i greatly respected reach out too - that was by far the worst.

but, i also got warned for collusion once, as a new coach off a CC post that i would never make today based on my understanding that it is nearly impossible to say *anything* during recruiting that does not reveal even the slightest bit of information. any information reveal can lead to collusion, intentional or not. this is one reason i hate season-long recruiting... at least in the olden days, you could bite your tongue for two days, then let it all out. now its like you still have stupid session 2, its like by the time you could safely talk about it, a month has elapsed and by then you hopefully aren't still hanging on to that crap. but anyway, i learned from that lesson - largely because even though i was shocked when i got a note from the game admins about collusion - they were friendly, and so was everyone else who chimed in - and i learned my lesson on the spot without any bitterness.

anyway, i just kinda learned over time... the best way to help eliminate collusion is to take a firm but friendly stand against it in all these cases. by saying 'screw you cheater', the other guy gets to say 'screw you man, chill' right back. i think by being understanding but also firmly against collusion, it makes it harder for the other guy to write off your take on the situation. it also reduces the drama and bickering. nobody wants to be judged by their worst day, and there's a bunch of reasons that the entire community isn't 100% on the same page as to what is fair play and what isn't, and how much that matters. a non-forum going coach with 15 seasons is a perfect target for this approach, IMO!

additional comment - also probably sharing a private message publicly without the knowledge/consent of the other party gives him an opening to write you off as a ***** and an outlier, not realizing your stance on collusion is shared by the vast majority.
Appreciate that advice and respect it. You are a well known figure in this game and I am thankful you responded. I fully intended on not sharing his name until he took it to another level in the site mail. I will not post the whole chain nor do I think I should or have to. According to him he is a very well established coach, resume would state otherwise, and knows much more when it comes to this than I do. I don't have time for a grown man attacking me over a game. I enjoy playing it but have no basketball background whatsoever. Never played, coached, etc. I guess this makes his argument even more weak since he has apparently been a basketball genius his entire life. He can attack me on records, etc. I could care less. I don't sit around critiquing match ups and over analyzing, I typically just run the same lineup out there and may adjust defense. There is nothing wrong with doing that, it's just not me. If it makes him happy more power to him.

The point I was making is that I learned very early on in this game that there is no such thing as "my recruit" until he signs with you. This came off very entitled and unwarranted. I switch attention because I don't want to go down the road of battling multiple coaches with higher prestige and be left with nothing? Come on. Please.
5/16/2020 5:00 PM
Yeah I actually didn't realize the idea you couldn't share ANYTHING without it violating fair play until I was talking to some coaches pretty recently.

In my 3rd or 4th DII season, a coach stole one of my top recruits then just randomly gave me FSS scouting info on another guy that was a backup for him in return.
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