Recruiting at DII Topic

Been a long time since I have been at DII. When is the earliest DI recruits will sign again? Second session?
5/6/2020 11:57 AM
YUH
5/6/2020 5:28 PM
Yes. First cycle of RS2 is the first signing opportunity
5/7/2020 9:24 AM
And if you are the only team very high on them will they sign first cycle?
5/19/2020 11:08 PM
Posted by jcee1281 on 5/19/2020 11:08:00 PM (view original):
And if you are the only team very high on them will they sign first cycle?
May depend on their preferences.
5/19/2020 11:18 PM
Been a while since I’ve been at DII so it’s tough seeing some DI schools coming along now when you’ve worked hard to get up to VH haha
5/19/2020 11:21 PM
If late signing preference, probably not the first cycle, though it could be. Also could be the last day of recruiting. Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2. Early and EOP1 signing preference D1 pool players will definitely sign with a D2, if that’s the only offer on the table that first cycle of RS2.
5/19/2020 11:22 PM
Hmmm. Both whenevers. Odd
5/19/2020 11:29 PM
Been awhile since I played. Can you still only recruit 6 freshman a year? I have 8 spots open D3
5/20/2020 1:30 AM
Posted by KBVegas on 5/20/2020 1:30:00 AM (view original):
Been awhile since I played. Can you still only recruit 6 freshman a year? I have 8 spots open D3
Yes, you’ll either need to find 2+ jucos, or you’ll have to take walkons.
5/20/2020 1:43 AM
Posted by shoe3 on 5/19/2020 11:22:00 PM (view original):
If late signing preference, probably not the first cycle, though it could be. Also could be the last day of recruiting. Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2. Early and EOP1 signing preference D1 pool players will definitely sign with a D2, if that’s the only offer on the table that first cycle of RS2.
"Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2"

Not at all. The player will literally sign whenever. It's rare for me to have whenever signers, sign on the first cycle of RS2 at D2. Sure it can happen. But i wouldn't classify it as "often". Maybe more like "sometimes"
5/20/2020 3:39 AM
Posted by topdogggbm on 5/20/2020 3:39:00 AM (view original):
Posted by shoe3 on 5/19/2020 11:22:00 PM (view original):
If late signing preference, probably not the first cycle, though it could be. Also could be the last day of recruiting. Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2. Early and EOP1 signing preference D1 pool players will definitely sign with a D2, if that’s the only offer on the table that first cycle of RS2.
"Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2"

Not at all. The player will literally sign whenever. It's rare for me to have whenever signers, sign on the first cycle of RS2 at D2. Sure it can happen. But i wouldn't classify it as "often". Maybe more like "sometimes"
Yep. I've got 5 openings in DIII. Signed 4 of my DII targets including two with a late preference in the first two cycles of RS2.

My one holdout is a "whenever" preference.
5/20/2020 7:31 AM
Often means frequently. It doesn’t mean always or almost always. If I say I often eat at Popeye’s Louisiana Kitchen, I’m not saying I’m there every meal, every day, or even every week. I’m saying I eat there frequently. It’s not unusual to find me there.

I think whenever tendency D1 recruits tend to sign on that first cycle with D2 teams more often than late recruits, from what I’ve seen. I could be wrong, because I have only had a few dozen seasons of D2/3 3.0 experience, and I don’t care to watch stuff like that closely. So my experience is definitely anecdotal. If someone has data (beyond anecdotes) contradicting that, I’d be interested to see it.
5/20/2020 11:05 AM
Posted by topdogggbm on 5/20/2020 3:39:00 AM (view original):
Posted by shoe3 on 5/19/2020 11:22:00 PM (view original):
If late signing preference, probably not the first cycle, though it could be. Also could be the last day of recruiting. Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2. Early and EOP1 signing preference D1 pool players will definitely sign with a D2, if that’s the only offer on the table that first cycle of RS2.
"Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2"

Not at all. The player will literally sign whenever. It's rare for me to have whenever signers, sign on the first cycle of RS2 at D2. Sure it can happen. But i wouldn't classify it as "often". Maybe more like "sometimes"
dogg and shoe are both partially right and both partially failing to capture the full picture.

whenever players sign at a significantly higher rate in session 1 than session 2, and once they have their signing cycle hit, they'll sign immediately as soon as there is an eligible team to sign them. roughly 75% of whenever recruits will sign by cycle 1 of session 2 or earlier, given the option. the best way to think of the signing preference is - think of it as actually a cycle - a specific cycle when that player is willing to sign. the early, late, etc just obfuscate that cycle and give you partial info. once the player hits that cycle, he'll always sign if he can, and before that, he never can. in reality there are 2 ways this could work, as best i can tell, but both are functionally equivalent to what i just described.

however - by the time you get to session 2, many of the whenever players have already signed in session 1. your experience with this will vary, which perhaps explains the shoe vs dogg observation discrepancy. meaning if you are looking at a certain slice of recruits, say top d1 recruits only (for d2 schools), then many of the whenever signers who are willing to sign in session 1 have probably already been signed (this is similar to high d1, where almost all worthwhile whenevers left in session 2 are there because they sign late - all the ones willing to sign early have already been signed). looking at the whenevers left, its very possible most of them are late cycle (session 2) signers. looking at a different slice - let's say d2 recruits who are mostly recruited by d3 school (who cannot sign them till session 2) - most of them are going to be available still because there wasn't an eligible signer. so its very possible to see different things, if you are looking at only a subset of the information (starting in session 2).

that said - you should be paying attention. you should know, in most cases, whether the whenever player you are after in session 2 had an eligible signer in session 1 or not. if they did not, then most likely (about 75%), they will sign on cycle 1. if they have had an eligible signer, you have a good chance of having some time to get involved. this is incredibly important when you are selecting session 2 targets.
5/20/2020 12:10 PM (edited)
“once they have their signing cycle hit, they'll sign immediately as soon as there is an eligible team to sign them.”

This is the thing I’m not sure about, and the reason I wasn’t a little stronger in my response to doggg. I am not entirely sure this is true - it might be, but I don’t recall it being disclosed. It might work like this, in fact I think it probably does - ie, a player hits a decision trigger, and from then on, he will sign as soon as a qualifying team has a scholarship offer to him. But it could also be that his trigger resets, such that it might hit after the 3rd signing cycle, but if no qualifying team has an offer out, he goes back to being “whenever”; and maybe it doesn’t hit again until the 15th signing cycle. That’s basically the only hedge I have. I am mostly sure it’s the former, and that yes, whenever guys sign a lot more often on the first cycle of RS2 than late guys. But I’m open to data if anyone has it.

5/20/2020 12:12 PM
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