The point was my two starting big men combining for 38 Ast%. Gave me the ability to start Iggy and take myself out of the assist market altogether. That said, I'm good with it & Silas is a very good (albeit inefficient) passer and decent rebounder, especially at the 3 in the Celtics years, so it's not a bad pick at all

Plus Karl gave me 15,000 minutes out of the gate so I could afford to use my 2nd pick on a lower minute guy

Posted by dh555 on 5/27/2020 4:24:00 PM (view original):
There were better options imo but probably none that give you rebounding/defense across all 5 seasons like Silas. And he can play sf too.

i was kinda hoping his efg would scare everyone away and I could snag him as ho grants backup.

Yeah I'm doing something different. I'm trying to not do the known draft strats (that many of you actually learned from me) and focusing on doing something different. Yeah, there were better boards out there, but if everybody else is doing something, and you're going to get lesser versions of what they're doing, then do something else. Kind of what Ben said at the start... I was going at it at a different angle, except when I momentarily forgot myself and picked Oscar.

Not many guys left with 20+ drb & 90 defense. He had two of those seasons, 3 more 80 defense, and can play all three front court positions. I felt insane because I was passing up dudes that I've always loved to grab in draft leagues but he was just so much cleaner than them.

It's funny what people mean when they say efficient or inefficient. Some people are speaking purely of efg%, some of tov%, some of pfs. Some forget all about the other two. Willis Reed, for example, is shockingly efficient... in regards to tov%. I always thought he was kind of a **** big before this (meh efg%, looked like a lot of fouls & turnovers, but it's actually not many turnovers at all).

I'm usually referring to TS%

Posted by ashamael on 5/27/2020 4:18:00 PM (view original):
So, how many people did the NickYoung.gif when I took Paul Silas in the fourth?

I see how he fits, though I think it was a round or two early. I was mainly surprised that you took him before the turn rather than after. I can't imagine he was on ben's radar given what he was likely to pick at the turn (guards). But then the same would be true of Okafor.

Posted by bds9992 on 5/27/2020 4:41:00 PM (view original):
I'm usually referring to TS%

It's hard to rely on ts% in the SIM because of how low FT totals are overall. The best thing would probably be to calculate a ts% based on a healthy discount rate for FTs that increases as a player's FTA increases. But it's still tough to do.

For me, it is FP48, TO% and eFG% (I usually measure TS% as season retrospective analysis but as stated, FTAs aren't easily forecasted in my experience which makes TS% harder to use in this case).

In most cases, in relation to efficiency, I am usually trying to make sure that my shots are not overwhelmingly coming from one part of the court, which is why I am always ******** about high usage MID% players (because between my PNT% and PER% scorers, I am usually generating enough MID% that unless it is like Malone or Jordan, it is extra work for me).

15. robusk - Artis Gilmore, Kawhi Leonard, Al Horford, Eric Bledsoe - rob keeps pulling out modern dudes that I just don't honestly think of. When I saw the pick, I'm like, "That's a great backup season, but round 4?" Then I look him up and realize like five years have passed and he has solid ******* numbers in those five years. Solid def, usg+efg, ast, and threes. Decent tov% & dreb for a PG. This looks like one of those teams I'd discount and then go 2-6 against.

16. amerk1180 - Tim Duncan, Dikembe Mutombo, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo - defense, dimes, and boards in abundance. Despite the fact that he can't shoot, his efg% is decently solid most years. Turnovers are kind of high, but he is a point guard with a lot of assists, so that happens.

17. mptrey - Magic Johnson, Kevin McHale, Manu Ginobili, Joakim Noah - I wanted Noah pretty badly this round. Good defense, solid boards, some years with a lot of assists. Don't love his offense (his higher usg years have meh efg%; his good efg% years have lower usg) but that's not why you're drafting him.

18. 20ks - Kevin Garnett, Karl Anthony Towns, Draymond Green, Anfernee Hardaway - the two-year wonder! I love Penny, and you covered the one real complaint I have about him as a PG by taking Draymond. You're going to be real mean for two seasons.

19. jcred5 - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Gary Payton, Kyle Lowry, Charles Oakley, Willis Reed - I hated you for Oakley. He was one of the few guys left with consistently solid defense and rebounding - with a couple of seasons that were superior in one or the other - and other than tov% (and that one year that has way too high of usg with too low of efg but is over 40 creb so you're going to be tempted to use it)... and fouls... he's top notch. Willis is solid all around... lot of fouls starting to show up on this squad up front, though.

20. goetz93 - Scottie Pippen, Jason Kidd, Walt Bellamy, Dale Davis, Danny Granger - Davis is another one of the more cleaner rebounders here. Solid def & efg (tier 5 usg but it's always nice to have good efg), solid boards, solid tov%, not a huge foul guy. Granger... I used to be really high on Granger. I think he's actually solid in this format, but I'm not sure I like the fit with that Kidd + Pippen back court. Still, good amount of threes & gets fouled a lot with solid def & efg% at a higher usg.

21. longtallbrad - Dennis Rodman, Dwyane Wade, Buck Williams, Deron Williams, Nikola Vucevic - D-Will was one of the better PG options available, and he gives your team some much needed range. Vucevic compliments your rebounding strengths but seems a big miss on several seasons... I think I see what you're doing, though, and I approve.

22. jhsukow - Anthony Davis, Steve Nash, Larry Nance, Marques Johnson, Ben Simmons - at one point, this would have been like "Why do you have three small forwards?!" AD is a legit big now, so that's no longer the case. I actually like Marques + Nance. He gives you a bit of a lot of stuff, though his boards are only really strong a couple of seasons. The Simmons pick really hammers home that you're gonna really go for it a couple of years - or at least that's my perception. Defense, efg%, dimes, boards. He's a stud in all of those areas. This is an interesting team!

23. ashamael - Klay Thompson, Oscar Robertson, Elton Brand, Paul Silas, Emeka Okafor - this is why you don't proxy at 5am, folks.

24. benhoidal - Hakeem Olajuwon, Julius Erving, Hassan Whiteside, Danny Green, Terry Porter - I kid you not, I had a hard time deciding between Klay & Danny Green. Not drafting Danny Green 23rd overall, of course, but in my mind, I thought I might go a different direction and try to grab him later on, as he is, to me, the perfect shooting guard in this format. I just had no idea when he'd realistically go. He's the guy that should have been picked when Korver was picked IMO. Porter gives you several solid years and one borderline-elite year. With this is not a team I'd ever have though you would put together, but I dig it. And by dig it, I mean I want no part of it.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 5/27/2020 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 5/27/2020 4:18:00 PM (view original):
So, how many people did the NickYoung.gif when I took Paul Silas in the fourth?

I see how he fits, though I think it was a round or two early. I was mainly surprised that you took him before the turn rather than after. I can't imagine he was on ben's radar given what he was likely to pick at the turn (guards). But then the same would be true of Okafor.

I had no idea what Ben was going to do since he picked Dream & Dr J at the first turn. He was the best defender left available and Ben might go for a guy that could play the three, so that's why I took him first. I also liked 7 true bigs, so I was okay if he had taken Okafor.

Posted by robusk on 5/27/2020 5:04:00 PM (view original):
For me, it is FP48, TO% and eFG% (I usually measure TS% as season retrospective analysis but as stated, FTAs aren't easily forecasted in my experience which makes TS% harder to use in this case).

In most cases, in relation to efficiency, I am usually trying to make sure that my shots are not overwhelmingly coming from one part of the court, which is why I am always ******** about high usage MID% players (because between my PNT% and PER% scorers, I am usually generating enough MID% that unless it is like Malone or Jordan, it is extra work for me).

In absolute agreement on all points.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 5/27/2020 4:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bds9992 on 5/27/2020 4:41:00 PM (view original):
I'm usually referring to TS%

It's hard to rely on ts% in the SIM because of how low FT totals are overall. The best thing would probably be to calculate a ts% based on a healthy discount rate for FTs that increases as a player's FTA increases. But it's still tough to do.

That's what I do. TS% is affected less when FG% and FT% are both high, less so when TS% relies on high FTA volume but low FT%

Hot take: Reggie Miller is better in almost every area than Ray Allen but Ray Allen is consistently drafted over him.

Ray has that one season w superior rebounds and assists I think?

Reggie is just a crappy passer, defender and rebounder. Hard to make that work in a draft league unless you have all of that already